Bigtime facepalm, CNN says Navy yard shooter had an AR15 shotgun.

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^^^ This is exactly why I'll correct every person that I overhear talking about this incident. I'll also point out the inaccuracy of the main stream news media and the intentional misleading of the people.


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Should we be surprised by this vagueness and apparent deceit? After all, we still don't know definitively what firearms the Newtown shooter used.

Anti-gun media and government rulers appear content to keep it that way unless they can show without doubt that the sorts of guns they're focused on banning were used.
 
The article was decent. It made it clear that the shooter had a pump shotgun, and passed the federal background check. So when MSNBC's Ed keeps saying "why can't we mandate background checks," the counter is that this particular loon passed a background check. When we hear talk of bans on these evil semiautomatic weapons, we can point out that this guy had a pump shotgun, which is pretty close to what Biden recommends gun owners buy.
 
First story I heard on the radio was that he used a handgun to kill a guard, took his shotgun, then killed another guard and took his AR15. Amazing how that happens.


he used shotgun shells that had roughly a dozen large ball-bearing-like shots in them, increasing their lethal nature.
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Increasing their lethal nature from what? That's what shot shells have in them, geniuses.


the suspect, Aaron Alexis of Texas, bought a law-enforcement-style shotgun — an 870 Remington pump-action
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Guess if you can't call it a military style assault weapon the next best thing is to call it law enforcement style, as if this is something that is not supposed to be in civilian hands. Nevermind that it's one of the most popular shotguns on the market.
 
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Reporters are not experts in anything except news delivery. Errors like that happen in every single issue of every newspaper any day. News analysts and columnists are sometimes more proficient, or at least they are in a lesser hurry. Lets not be crybabies howling bias and discrimination. This particular inaccuracy is typical for news reporting and will have zero effect on any future discourse.
 
ChaoSS said:
Guess if you can't call it a military style assault weapon the next best thing is to call it law enforcement style, as if this is something that is not supposed to be in civilian hands...
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That's what they will be going for, taking more guns out of civilian hands.
 
I don't know how decent the article actually is. It wants to demonized the " law enforcement style" shotgun and I'm guessing buck shot. At least it sounds that way to me. Then it adds how "it throws bearing like pieces of lead to add to its lethality". What? It's a gun for gods sake! Yellow journalism and hyperbole in full effect. These people can't understand evil in human nature. It's just ignorant writing often read and believed by ignorant people.
 
“The gun was broken in half, and he had it in a bag,” one official said of the Remington. “He went inside the building and assembled it in a bathroom.”
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A takedown 870? That would be pretty cool, but ummm.... huh?

Perhaps they just mean a folding stock?
 
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So when MSNBC's Ed keeps saying "why can't we mandate background checks," the counter is that this particular loon passed a background check.
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Good observation. Do you see any parallels between that and the Newtown shooter? His evil black AR15 rifle of mass destruction was perfectly legal even under Connecticut’s distorted assault gun ban. That kernel of factual information was and is ignored by the people with an agenda.
 
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A takedown 870? That would be pretty cool, but ummm.... huh?

Perhaps they just mean a folding stock?
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Just take the barrel off...takes three seconds to put it back on...and reduces the overall length to just that of the barrel.
 
Yup. An 870 with the barrel removed can be stashed in a pouch and carried under a jacket. The original poor boy's takedown scattergun. Stick it in a tool bag with some big pipe pliers sticking out and nobody will give it a second thought. Just another maintenance contractor.
 
You can't comment on their mistake unless you're a subscriber, but you can go to their Facebook page and point out they failed Journalism 101 by not fact checking something as simple as this.
 
this is why I watch up to the point they got the bad guys , then I stop watching till the next day or at least till later that night , when they have most of the facts right ,

.. can you even buy an AR15 in Washington DC ? :confused:
 
So what do we do about it? I have always held Jennifer Griffen's opinions on Fox with regard, and had never heard her express any opinions about guns at all. I especially remember when she was their overseas reporter that her voice was one I would listen to. But yesterday, in 15 short seconds, I lost every bit of respect I ever held for her when I heard her say that the AR-15 is the civilian version of the M-16 and fired 3 round bursts....the implication being that 3 round burst AR-15's are the normal "civilian" versions in the hands of everyone who owns an AR. Seriously?

I understand that most of these people would not know the difference between a Purdy and an SKS, but why would anyone allow their name to be associated with such blatantly WRONG info put out as fact? You put your stamp on that statement, Jennifer...you own it forever. I was glad this morning to hear Bill Hemmer going off about the non-existent AR that had been reported so widely as fact, though. Seems to me that Fox, among the others, needs an on staff or contract 'expert' to handle these kinds of facts when things like this occur. Maybe a high profile type like Colin Noir or Cody Donaldson who come across well to the general uninformed public. I see a huge opportunity here with upside in several directions.

I remember as a very small kid watching a documentary called "The Guns of Autumn" with my father....narrated by none other than an up and coming Dan Rather. My dad was a WW2 vet who had seen quite a bit of the downside of humanity and rarely let himself get animated. I will never remember his quiet anger as he explained to me what was going on, and how I would fight this battle all of my life if I chose to pursue firearms as a hobby. As things turned out, I made a living for 30 years with them, but I have never given so much as a single moments credence to any statement that came out of Dan Rathers mouth from that evening on. Jennifer, you are in that category now. Enjoy the company!
 
Wait, did shotguns and buckshot just become evil? How is that possible when that is what Biden recommended for home defense not 6 months ago?

Any gun ban talk that comes from this, we need to strongly point out that:

-Loon used a Biden-approved gun
-Loon passed a background check

Lots of innocent people still died.
 
Biden approved shotgun is NOT a pump action " high capacity, over 2 shots Leo gun" it's a single or double break action loaded with two fire crackers. You just need the noise not an actual lethal projectile.
 
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