Billy The Kid and Bob Olinger

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If you've seen "Young Guns," (who hasn't?), part of the jailbreak scene includes Lincoln County deputy Bob Olinger menacing the captive Kid by telling him that if he tried to escape, Olinger would would happily unload both barrels of his shotgun into young Mr. Bonney. He further states that his shells are loaded with coins; I think the movie specifies pennies, but folklore says they were dimes, eighteen per round. After visiting the privy, Billy managed to get out of his cuffs and procure a pistol which he used on one of his jailers. He then got his hands on Olinger's loaded shotgun, and used it to kill Olinger.

Well, a show on History Channel got a chance to test that load chain. Peter Sherayko, noted antique arms expert and the gun wrangler for "Tombstone," fired 18 silver dimes into a pig carcass. For an extra measure of forensic accuracy, the carcass was wearing a cotton shirt. The range couldn't have been more than 20 feet or so, about the range between Bonney and Olinger when the latter was sent to his reward. The charge was black powder; judging from Sherayko's recoil reaction, it was a fairly stout load.

The dimes shredded the shirt, but only produced shallow flesh wounds on the test media. Just to drive the point home, Sherayko then shot the hog with a 00 buckshot load, which produced the results one would expect.

At prisoner-handling ranges, i.e., walking behind the prisoner and prodding him with the muzzle, I imagine the dimes would have a better chance of being lethal. Of course, at that range I wouldn't want to be shot with a black powder blank. The slow-mo shots of the dimes hitting the pig carcass showed dimes in every possible flight attitude, be it edge-on, flat, or anything in between.

Just when the show had me thinking that they had gone to heroic lengths to debunk a cherished legend, they went and popped my bubble- the coroner's report on Olinger confirmed that he was killed by a double load (both barrels) of 00 buckshot to the face and upper chest. Buckshot was more effective, and way cheaper, too; each load of silver dimes would have represented about two days' pay for a working cowboy of the time.
 
Nice write up, very informative.
I'll never get tired of hearing about the crazy things people put in shotgun shells.
 
i was watching a video recently where they loaded the shells with Orange tic tacs
 
If you've seen "Young Guns," (who hasn't?), part of the jailbreak scene includes Lincoln County deputy Bob Olinger menacing the captive Kid by telling him that if he tried to escape, Olinger would would happily unload both barrels of his shotgun into young Mr. Bonney. He further states that his shells are loaded with coins; I think the movie specifies pennies, but folklore says they were dimes, eighteen per round. After visiting the privy, Billy managed to get out of his cuffs and procure a pistol which he used on one of his jailers. He then got his hands on Olinger's loaded shotgun, and used it to kill Olinger.

Well, a show on History Channel got a chance to test that load chain. Peter Sherayko, noted antique arms expert and the gun wrangler for "Tombstone," fired 18 silver dimes into a pig carcass. For an extra measure of forensic accuracy, the carcass was wearing a cotton shirt. The range couldn't have been more than 20 feet or so, about the range between Bonney and Olinger when the latter was sent to his reward. The charge was black powder; judging from Sherayko's recoil reaction, it was a fairly stout load.

The dimes shredded the shirt, but only produced shallow flesh wounds on the test media. Just to drive the point home, Sherayko then shot the hog with a 00 buckshot load, which produced the results one would expect.

At prisoner-handling ranges, i.e., walking behind the prisoner and prodding him with the muzzle, I imagine the dimes would have a better chance of being lethal. Of course, at that range I wouldn't want to be shot with a black powder blank. The slow-mo shots of the dimes hitting the pig carcass showed dimes in every possible flight attitude, be it edge-on, flat, or anything in between.

Just when the show had me thinking that they had gone to heroic lengths to debunk a cherished legend, they went and popped my bubble- the coroner's report on Olinger confirmed that he was killed by a double load (both barrels) of 00 buckshot to the face and upper chest. Buckshot was more effective, and way cheaper, too; each load of silver dimes would have represented about two days' pay for a working cowboy of the time.
Back in the day old Double Barreled 10 gauges were loaded with what ever was on hand...............
 
Olingers shotgun was probably loaded with regular buckshot or even a buck and ball load.
Eley even made a buckshot load back then that consisted of buckshot wrapped in very thin copper mesh that stayed in one mass until it hit something.
Coins flying flat through the air have all the ballistic coefficients of a bulldozer blade, they shed velocity and energy very quickly.
 
I saw this too and what was particularly interesting to me was his POV relative to the contemporary economy... $3.60 in the tubes made no sense in any realistic scenario that he could come up with and he presented a pretty good case for this being mythology if only based upon the cost but then clinched it with the test firing.

All in a relatively short frame of time and while being very entertaining unlike if "MythBusters" took an hour to bore you to death while trying to impress you with their silly antiques and droll "asides".
 
Glad the actual coroner's report de-bunked that "loaded with dimes" BS....

As a practical matter (about as deadly practical as you can get...) a load of 00 buckshot is a terribly efficient killer at ranges under 15 meters. No need to get fancy or "more powerful", nine pellets from a standard 2 3/4" shell at close quarters just ends the fight, period. All the TV and movie BS we've all been subjected to just doesn't match up to the deep penetration and actual pattern of that round at close ranges....
 
Two witnesses to Olinger's death stated that he just crumpled to the ground, putting the lie to the Hollywood image of a man "taking both barrels" and flying backward ten feet.

Orange Tic-Tacs..... non-lethal tracer ammo?
 
One reason I don't believe the 18 dime load:

Looking up my 1897 Sears Roebuck & Co catalog, I find 10ga shotgun shells, 5 drams BP load, 1 1/4 oz #4 buckshot, at $1.93 for 100 rounds, or 50 cents per box of twenty five.

If it was my money, I'd take those 18 dimes times two, buy a box of shells, and spend the change on nickel pints of beer and free lunches at the saloon.
 
But, you guys are missing the whole point. The dime thing made for a GREAT one liner in the movie after Billy Shot Olinger. I mean, where would Dirty Harry be without "Make my Day", or "Smith...and Wesson...and me"? No worse, really, than the movie "Open Range" where Duval shoots a BG through a wall with a shotgun blowing him off his feet 10 feet through the air into a wall. :rolleyes:

My wife is always telling me, "Suspension of disbelief, dear." She's a big sci fi and disaster movie buff.
 
Carl nailed it- buy beer and food for your friends, and keep some rounds handy for guests who aren't as friendly toward you.
 
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