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American Hiroshima' linked with Iran attack
Pakistani journalist who met bin Laden confirms al-Qaida nukes, says they may already be in U.S.

By Paul L. Williams and David Dastych

Posted: April 28, 2006

Al-Qaida has already obtained nuclear suitcase weapons from the Russian black market, weapons tested in Afghanistan in 2000, and they may have already been forward-deployed inside the U.S., according to the only journalist to interview Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri in the wake of Sept. 11.

Last week, Hamid Mir's credibility skyrocketed when he accurately predicted in Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin and later in WND the imminent release of a new recorded communiqué from bin Laden through al-Jazeera, the Arabic TV network. Two days later, bin Laden's tape was the focus of international news coverage.

"If you think that my information and analysis about bin Laden's location is correct," said Hamid Mir, "then please don't underestimate my analysis about his nuclear threat also."

Mir said that he met with an Egyptian engineer last week who lost an eye after one of bin Laden's nuclear tests in the Kunar province of Pakistan. The Pakistani journalist said the encounter with the engineer greatly disturbed and depressed him since it provided further assurance that a nuclear nightmare for America is about to dawn.

Mir believes that an "American Hiroshima" will occur as soon as the U.S. launches an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities.

"Al-Qaida and Iran," he says, "have a long, secret relationship." "American Hiroshima" is the name al-Qaida leaders chose for their long-planned nuclear attack on the U.S.



The relationship between Iran and bin Laden dates back to June 21, 1996, when bin Laden attended a terror summit in Tehran. The gathering attracted terror leaders from various places throughout the world, including Ramadan Shallah (the Palestinian Islamic Jihad), Ahmad Salah (Egyptian Islamic Jihad), Imad al-Alami and Mustafa al-Liddawi (Hamas), Ahmad Jibril (Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine), Abdallah Ocalan (the Kurdish People Party), Muhammad Ali Ahmad (al Qaida), and Imad Mugniyah (Hezbollah). The summit resulted in the creation of the "Committee of Three" that would meet on a regular basis for the "coordination, planning and execution of attacks" against the United States and Israel. The committee members were Ahmad Salah, Imad Mugniyah and bin Laden.

Mir's position that al-Qaida's nuclear weapons may have already been forward-deployed to the United States confirms the report of Sharif al-Masri, a key al-Qaida operative who was arrested in Pakistan in November 2000.

Al Masri, an Egyptian national with ties to al-Zawahiri, said that al-Qaida had made arrangements to smuggle nuclear weapons and supplies to Mexico. From Mexico, he said, the weapons were to be transported across the border and into the United States with the help of a Latino street gang.

Mir also maintains that numerous sleeper agents are in place in major cities throughout the United States to prepare for the nuclear holocaust. Many of these agents, he says, are Algerians and Chechens who obtained European passports and are posing as Christian and Jews.

He further says that many of these agents have been in the United States since bin Laden's issuance of his "Declaration of War on Americans Occupying the Country of the Two Holy Places." That fatwa was issued Aug. 23, 1996.

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Let me just hit the highlights of questions I would have about this article...

Mir said that he met with an Egyptian engineer last week who lost an eye after one of bin Laden's nuclear tests in the Kunar province of Pakistan.

A nuclear weapon was tested by al-Quaida in Pakistan; but neither the Indian, Pakistani, Chinese, Russian or American governments noticed it?

Al-Qaida has already obtained nuclear suitcase weapons from the Russian black market, weapons tested in Afghanistan in 2000

Were they tested in the Kunar province of Pakistan or Afghanistan? The story directly contradicts itself but we should give credibility to it because the guy was correct about bin-Laden releasing a tape?

Mir believes that an "American Hiroshima" will occur as soon as the U.S. launches an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities.

"Al-Qaida and Iran," he says, "have a long, secret relationship." "American Hiroshima" is the name al-Qaida leaders chose for their long-planned nuclear attack on the U.S.

So we are to assume the government of Iran has a death wish? If this is true and a nuke goes off in an American city as retaliation for a preemptive strike on Iran's nuclear capability, how will that be a good thing for Iran? Is somebody planning to build a giant mall in central Asia and in need of a giant glass parking lot?

Mir's position that al-Qaida's nuclear weapons may have already been forward-deployed to the United States confirms the report of Sharif al-Masri, a key al-Qaida operative who was arrested in Pakistan in November 2000.

So why the need to hijack planes and fly them into buildings to get our attention? Exactly what is al-Quaida waiting for if they have this capability?

Color me skeptical...
 
I doubt if anyone could conduct a nuclear test involving detonation without detection. Having said that, I would not be in least bit surprised if the Busheys were to keep such an event secret.
 
Back Pack Nukes?

I thought the tritium triggers would be bad by now - all they are is big radioactive paper weights.

I suppose you could make a dirty bomb with one, but thats a far cry from a mushroom cloud!
 
The_Shootist said:
I suppose you could make a dirty bomb with one, but thats a far cry from a mushroom cloud!

Yeah....about the difference b/t being head-shot and gut-shot.... :banghead:

The fact that they can get these materials inside our borders that easily is the point...that no one in Washington D.C. seems to be getting... :fire:
 
I don't doubt it at all. Assume he has briefcase nukes, why wouldn't he have used them before? I have thought about this often, and now the pieces of the puzzle come together. He's using them to ensure the creation of a nuclear capable, orthodox and rabidly anti-US Islamic state.

Even if he doesn't have them, how do we know? This is a tricky game of chess in which many pieces will be lost, either now or farther on.

Our king is in check people! Maybe more like check and mate.

It might be better to just deal with the Iran problem now and pay the price, rather then them getting ICBM's.
 
I'm glad there are some level headed guys in here like Bartholomew Roberts and Art Eastman.

Bikers' post had me ready to lock and load, and you guys made sense of it.

Do I think it's possible? Yes.

Do I think a bomb test could be kept secret by the Bush administration...yes. By the rest of the world, no way.

While I'm sure that trouble crosses into the US every day from Canada and Mexico, and Cuba and the ocean as well, I think if the terrorists had the capabilty to use a nuke device, they would have done so by now. If it's a suitcase bomb, all they'd have to do is leave it in downtown Manhattan or LA, and set the sucker off.
 
Suitcase Nuke?

For a nuke to have an effective blast radius, it must be detonated aerially. Otherwise, all you get is a rather localized, albeit large, hole in the ground. Won't be that easy for them to pull that off from within the US. That's not to say they can't do it, though. But, like has been said, I doubt they have tested any such device in Afghanistan. We even detected a huge conventional explosion in North Korea. We would have heard about it.

Woody

There is perspective and there is pretense. No amount of bombast or emotion can truthfully equate the two. One does not add validity to the other. Bombast and emotion added to pretense does not equal perspective. Reason, fact, and logic? That's a different matter. That will net you perspective every time. B.E.Wood

Let us pray these are not famous last words...
 
For a nuke to have an effective blast radius, it must be detonated aerially. Otherwise, all you get is a rather localized, albeit large, hole in the ground. Won't be that easy for them to pull that off from within the US. That's not to say they can't do it, though. But, like has been said, I doubt they have tested any such device in Afghanistan. We even detected a huge conventional explosion in North Korea. We would have heard about it.

Enter elevator. Punch 40. Take a long, deep breath and think of your kids.
 
Yeah and with AZredhawk talking about guys with hiking packs crossing the border it isn't a stretch to say one of those things might be stateside already.


You know what if this is a game of 3 card monty. You're looking at the fast hand while the slow hand is the one that beats you.

Iran is making all the noise getting the attention. Who knows how many people will be in the streets Mon. diverting more attention.

And all the while a dozen guys are in some border town laying low looking like mules but instead of 30 lbs of pot or coke or whatever they have a suitcase nuke.

Beware the man with one gun indeed.
 
1) Why would the U.S. hide this evidence? Haven't many of you repeatedly criticized the Bush Administration for using fear to manipulate the public? Didn't the Bush Adminsitration get railed over WMDs? If they had this information, why wouldn't they be shouting it from the highest mountain and using it to justify all kinds of actions that Americans would enthusiastically support?

2) Even if the U.S. did want to cover this up for some reason, can anyone explain why China and Russia observed this same nuclear explosion and decided to do nothing about it? Because after all, it isn't like they actually have contiguous borders with Afghanistan or their own radical Islamic elements. Look at Chechnya - does anybody think the Russians are going to miss a nuclear explosion in the hands of Islamic radicals and then go "eh, not our problem"

3) India and Pakistan are both nuclear armed nations in a state of armed truce. They are in their own Cold War. Neither one is going to say anything about a nuclear explosion in Afghanistan? Especially India, which isn't a Muslim nation and is also under siege from al-Quaida affiliated Islamic radicals?

There are holes in this story you could drive a convoy of supertankers through. I am shocked that even the low standards of wnd allowed it to be printed.

seeker two said:
The fact that they can get these materials inside our borders that easily is the point...

Right now, it isn't even a fact that they even have such materials, let alone that they can get them inside our borders.

ghost squire said:
I don't doubt it at all.

Why am I not surprised? For someone who lends so little credulity to their own government, you seem pretty quick to believe dubious reports from an online news service.

ghost squire said:
He's using them to ensure the creation of a nuclear capable, orthodox and rabidly anti-US Islamic state.

Sure, because India, China and Russia are all about having a nuclear capable, orthodox, radical Islamic state next door. Here is a an important point, Iranian missiles cannot hit the United States. They can hit the other three states I mentioned. If bin Laden is supposedly aiding Iran, he kind of picked the wrong country to blackmail.

Kodiaz said:
and with AZredhawk talking about guys with hiking packs crossing the border it isn't a stretch to say one of those things might be stateside already.

You realize a "briefcase nuke" like the SADM weighs 163lbs? Hiking across the desert southwest with a briefcase nuke is a little more difficult than strapping on a pack and walking over.
 
No I didn't know that. But I was thinking of something a little more improvised.




Well I'm sure it fits in one of those SUV's that cross the border with a Humvee escort.
 
There is no question in my mind that if a nuke of any size was detonated anywhere in the world, we (the American people) would know about it before the dirt hit the ground.
Our military would instantly go to the highest level of alert.
An unanounced detonation would make the response to 9/11 look like a weekend National Guard drill.
 
So World Nut Daily is back with American Hiroshoma. Last time around that dog didn't hunt. I don't think it will this time around. Don't you find it interesting The Nut claims to have inside information that will predict the deaths of hundeds of thousands of people yet the only way to access it is to subscribe to a premium news service. Talk about you basic moral failing.

We are gonna get hit again. Deal with it. If Osama B. Laden does pop off a nuke or two in CONUS, our response will be breathtaking. At that point even Bush's compassion will be screamed down.
 
163lbs? Hiking across the desert southwest with a briefcase nuke is a little more difficult than strapping on a pack and walking over.

Its not at all unthinkable with two fit men to swap the load.

Here is a an important point, Iranian missiles cannot hit the United States.

Christ, don't you realize, IT DOESN'T MATTER. With the threat of Bin Laden's suitcase nukes looming over our decision to to take out Iran's nuclear capability, they have all the time in the world to develop ICBMs, or simply buy some from China, who they just signed a multi billion dollar long term gas and oil contract with, as they did with India.

Then once they have nukes themselves, it doesn't matter if Bin Laden really had suitcase nukes or not, because Iran could just hand them over. Its a perfect scratch my back and I'll scratch yours arrangement. I really do hope I'm overestimating their intelligence.
 
ghost squire said:
Christ, don't you realize, IT DOESN'T MATTER. With the threat of Bin Laden's suitcase nukes looming over our decision to to take out Iran's nuclear capability, they have all the time in the world to develop ICBMs, or simply buy some from China, who they just signed a multi billion dollar long term gas and oil contract with, as they did with India.

Try rereading the previous post and googling a few terms like Kashmir, Beslan, Groznyj, Shanghai Five, and Uyghur (also Uighur).

No matter how much any of those countries dislike America, they would never in a million years accept radical Islamic terrorists running around with nuclear weapons of any variety. You don't have to be a brain surgeon to figure out that it is much easier to carry out nuclear attacks on any of those nations than it is on the United States - and al-Quaida hates them every bit as much as they hate us.

Your hypothesis relies on all of these nations (not just one) turning a blind eye to Islamic radicals acquiring nuclear weapons. Not only that; but every one of those nations has been the subject of repeated and serious terrorist attacks by Islamic radicals. If you think signing a multi-billion dollar oil and gas contract means much, then I guess you missed the fact that 19 of the 9/11 terrorists came from a nation we have a multi-billion dollar oil & gas contract with.
 
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