Binary Trigger?

[Scrod314]

Hello...
I saw some YouTube videos. These look like a blast. Are these legal or do you need a special permit? Has anyone ever installed one in a 10/22? Are these difficult to install? Looks like they cost about $300 for the kit? Are they worth it, as far as fun factor? Thanks for any info.

 

[hso]

Legal - yes
Special permit - no...not yet
10/22 -
Installation - can't say
Worth it - completely subjective

 

[ttarp]

Rifle ranges in my area have rules against using them, otherwise they're perfectly legal without permits at the moment. I don't really expect that to last.

As far as installation goes, I have the one for Hk roller delayed designs, easy enough, but I can't say about any of the others.

So for the fun factor. Its great once or twice, but I quickly grew tired of it. My friends and family absolutely love it however.

My take on it is this: If you think you might want to try one out, get one now, life has no guarantees, if you sit on it too long you may never get the chance.

 

[wiscoaster]

I think that's one of those features where the "fun factor" quickly grows old, because it's no longer unique, and provides you with no special functional advantage.

 

[George Dickel]

I believe this trigger will go the way of the bump stock. All it is going to take is for someone to use a semi-auto rifle with this trigger in a "mass" shooting and it will be history. It would really push the drive to ban all semi-auto rifles. The trigger is really skirting the edge of legality. I know it is human nature to push the limits on things but sometimes we push too hard and too far to our own detriment.

 

[Steve S.]

I am a slow target shooter, even with my AR - I have no desire and no need for a trigger (or any other device) that allows me to spray ammo. If I think about it though, discharge speed is relative/ subjective - binary triggers allow faster so inflicted damage will be faster - they must go - predetermined that they will go and are now anticipated to go. Extrapolate the thought to the one life is too much and muzzle loaders must go. I don’t know, I guess I always caution myself to question anything that is preordained, as surrender - it makes it much easier to move to the next surrender - ever so methodically, you find yourself with nothing - our government at work.

 

[Double_J]

A friend of mine has one on his fun AR build. We put the .22 LR conversion bolt in and turned a couple hundred bulk pack rounds into noise and giggles.

 

[buba68]

If you have some money to blow on the trigger and a lot of ammo to shoot quickly=more money go for it. Their are a couple threads on it on the Ruger Forum about a couple members who have installed them in their 10-22's and they sound like a lot of fun but after going through a lot of ammo quickly each time you go out the fun factor would probably wear out quickly.

 

[David Hoback]

For a serious shooter, I believe they are a great way to mess up/hinder your muscle memory in trigger control. A good example is to watch the video of Jerry Miculek using one. It actually messes him up. To me it’s like a person who carries different pistols & in different forms of carry, for self defense.

To those who want one for the perceived “fun” of it, or novelty, go for it. Personally, I’ve shot many different autos, thousands of times, and they never really did anything for me. I prefer the much more accurate discipline of semi auto fire.

 

[GBExpat]

I think that's one of those features where the "fun factor" quickly grows old, because it's no longer unique, and provides you with no special functional advantage.

Plus ... it not only is expensive to purchase but expensive to feed.

... and you have to wonder/worry what the BATFE (not to mention possible White House intervention) is going to do in future regarding these things.

 

[LiveLife]

provides you with no special functional advantage.

I disagree.

For those defending against multiple armed intruders, binary triggers could help defenders, especially if the home owner(s) has physical issues or aged related issues to not allow them fast follow up shots to allow attackers to overwhelm the home owner(s).

There is ample evidence (particularly video evidence even on Youtube) that single shot to attacker may not stop the attacker and binary trigger allows defenders to stop the attacker faster.

Watch this video and ask yourself if binary trigger equipped firearm could have helped the defending mother and daughter shop owner.

 

[wiscoaster]

OK, point made for special cases.

I revise my opinion to general case application.

 

[LiveLife]

OK, point made for special cases.

I revise my opinion to general case application.

The individual right to self defense applies to everyone, especially to those that are physically weak, lack training, disabled, aged with medical conditions, etc.

Think about it.

What are fiber optic front sights, red dots and scopes, etc.?

Visual aids to help those with sight issues for shooters having difficulty using iron sights.

For a serious shooter, I believe they are a great way to mess up/hinder your muscle memory in trigger control.

But binary trigger equipped firearms retain semi-auto fire option so shooter simply gains another shooting option to continue training with both: Semi-auto and Binary.

I like having options in life.


Would you like to have sound suppressors on your defensive firearms either integrated or muzzle attached so you don't blow out your hearing when engaging armed attackers?

Yes, it's nice to have options in life, especially for defending your life.


Heck, I even like having larger than 10 round capacity ammunition storage device option we call magazines. Thank you judge Benitez (Duncan v Becerra)

 

[CraigC]

I have one for 10/22's but haven't installed it yet. I didn't buy it as a toy but to see how practical it was in actual use. I can see some utility in using it on large varmints and small predators. So it will go in an appropriate rifle. I'm jus tnot in a hurry to take it apart, again.

 

[BigBlue 94]

One thing that hasnt been mentioned that I see is you can ONLY fire two round "bursts" with it engaged. Say you pull the trigger, and then have to cease fire for some emergency reason. At this point you have a cocked, ready to fire gun that is essentially a dead man's switch. To set the gun down, you have to release the trigger, which sets off another round. I believe you can cycle the action to remove the chambered round then let go of the trigger safely. I dont know for sure though.

Something to think about at least...

 

[David Hoback]

I disagree. Watch this video and ask yourself if binary trigger equipped firearm could have helped the defending mother and daughter shop owner.

No....a binary trigger would have made NO difference whatsoever! The mother had a revolver. Faster shots do not mean more accuracy. In fact, just the opposite is true. Full auto is much less accurate. Full auto “simulation” is even worse! I’m not sure about all this video evidence you are referring to. But the video is poor piece of evidence.

 

[Robbins290]

Bigblue, My friend has one, and with his, if the trigger is being pressed after the first shot, putting it in "safe" will prevent it from firing after releasing the trigger. I checked it out, as that was a concern i had for those types of triggers.

 

[Jim Watson]

The machinery is well known to trapshooters. In an effort to avoid flinching, some guns have release triggers. Load, pull trigger to set it, call PULL! to get a target, and release the trigger to fire.
For trap doubles, you may have a release-pull or double release trigger, which are getting close to the binary device.

On the political side, I agree that if you want one, you should get it now and enjoy it while it is still legal. I waffle on the matter; will we get incremental gun restrictions; the "pistol brace" and binary trigger following the bump stock, magazines later; or will they go for comprehensive repression all at once?

 

[Carl N. Brown]

If there is a binary trigger mechanism that allows the shooter to reset before releasing the trigger (like, apply the safety after the pressed shot), it might be semi-practical.
Most descriptions I have read, the gun fires on press, then fires on release. The only place that's fully safe is on a closed shooting range where no unintended targets may move into the line of fire.
Anyone pulling a binary trigger better follow the motto on the title page of "Narrative of the Life of David Crockett, of the State of Tennessee".
I leave this rule for others when I'm dead,
Be always sure you're right--THEN GO AHEAD!

 

[LiveLife]

The only place that's fully safe is on a closed shooting range where no unintended targets may move into the line of fire.

And similar arguments were made when Glock was released with no external safety.

Say you pull the trigger, and then have to cease fire for some emergency reason. At this point you have a cocked, ready to fire gun that is essentially a dead man's switch. To set the gun down, you have to release the trigger, which sets off another round.

As others already posted, engaging the safety will allow the shooter to release the trigger without firing.

No....a binary trigger would have made NO difference whatsoever! The mother had a revolver. Faster shots do not mean more accuracy.

The shooting in the video was done at "bad breath" danger distance and could have resulted with vastly different outcome with both mother and daughter shot and dead.

But hypothetically, let's say they had pistol caliber AR pistol with 30 round magazine equipped with binary trigger and was able to fire multiple rounds into robber's body. As effects of bullets hitting the robber's body increased, let's say all 30 rounds aimed at COM hit the body, robber may have slowed or dropped where he was shot.

Of course, we may never know but when faced with multiple armed attackers, binary trigger gives home defender another shooting option, especially with "super normal" capacity magazines.

 

[MikeInOr]

No....a binary trigger would have made NO difference whatsoever! The mother had a revolver. Faster shots do not mean more accuracy. In fact, just the opposite is true. Full auto is much less accurate. Full auto “simulation” is even worse! I’m not sure about all this video evidence you are referring to. But the video is poor piece of evidence.

When I watched that video my thought was the women should have bigger caliber guns and train how to use them! What were they shooting... .22lr, .380??? Or was the guy wearing armor? The last thing that video would have suggested to me is they need a binary trigger. It looks like the mother could have very easily shot the daughter if she had a binary trigger.

If you want a binary trigger, get a binary trigger. I have many firearms and accessories that have no practical self defense purpose and the only reason I own them is I enjoy them! Nothing wrong with that!

 

[LiveLife]

Here's binary trigger outshooting Jerry Miculek.

Picture facing armed threat or multiple armed threats with "super normal" capacity magazines shot by your wife or mother so as to not be victimized.

 

[SharpDog]

Here's binary trigger outshooting Jerry Miculek.

Picture facing armed threat or multiple armed threats with "super normal" capacity magazines shot by your wife or mother so as to not be victimized.

Looks interesting ... I might pull the trigger on buying one

 

[LiveLife]

Looks interesting ... I might pull the trigger on buying one

And you too could shoot faster than Jerry Miculek.

 

[d2wing]

I have trained and used full auto rifles in the military. After the first 2 or 3 rounds you have lost control unless the weapon is very low power or heavy. I can see them being fun but not much practical use. I would think the fun would wear off pretty fast with the effort and cost of reloading clips. But I am not against people having them.