Bisley, stainless, 454 Casull/45 Colt convertible

[Onty]

Sorry, there is no 454 Casull/45 Colt convertible Bisley, stainless.

However, if Ruger makes 357 Magnum/9mm and 45 Colt/45 ACP convertibles, why not 454 Casull/45 Colt? Since they already manufacture 5-bore Bisley stainless in 454 Casull with 4-5/8" and 6-1/2" barrels, adding another cylinder for 45 Colt should be a snap.

 

[ontarget]

I was under the impression that you can shoot 45 Colt in a 454 chamber so a convertible would not be necessary.

 

[stanley_white]

I was under the impression that you can shoot 45 Colt in a 454 chamber so a convertible would not be necessary.

This.

I owned a Bisley 454 and shot 45 Colt through it all the time.

-Stan

 

[Riomouse911]

The .454 is already a convertible....can do 454 Casull, .45 Colt, .45 Schofield...

Stay safe.

 

[MaxP]

As others have noted, you can shoot .45 Colt from your .454.... my .454 Bisley shoots .45 Colt exceptionally well.

 

[Onty]

Heck, you can even shoot 45 Cowboy Special https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/45-cowboy-special/16974 from 454 Casull.

Bob Baker has different opinion:

Here's Bob Baker's (Freedom Arms Owner) reply on Graybeard's forum:

http://www.go2gbo.com/forums/index.php/topic,189645.msg1099239708.html#msg1099239708

http://www.freedomarms.com
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Re: using a 45LC in a 454
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2011, 09:10:34 AM »

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The 45 Colt is .100 shorter than the 454 Casull. When shooting the 45C in 454 chambers, lead and powder residue is left in the chamber just ahead of the case. This build up of residue can restrict chambering the longer 454 cartridge and can cause excess pressure by not allowing the crimp of the 454 to easily open up to allow the bullet to exit the case.

Another potential problem is when the revolver is cooling down after firing it collects moisture. This moisture mixed with the lead and powder residue creates an acid which can etch the chamber underneath the lead and powder residue. With this condition, even if the residue is cleaned out of the chamber, the longer 454 case will now stick in the etched area of the chamber when fired and can be difficult to remove depending on the amount of etching. Over the years we have seen this problem more from guns in high humidity areas than from low humidity areas but it still occurs in the low humidity areas.

For some folks this seems to be an emotional issue and some folks even claim that all we are trying to do make extra money on extra cylinders. What we are actually trying to do is help our customers get the most trouble free life from their FA revolver as possible. I know of some customers that have shot thousands of 45C rounds in their 454 chambers with no problems but they thoroughly clean the gun when finished shooting. Other customers have ended up with one of the above problems fairly quick also. All we can do is put out the information, it is up to the individual what they do with the information.

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/45lc-in-freedom-arms-mod-83.625740/

 

[1KPerDay]

Since they already manufacture 5-bore Bisley stainless in 454 Casull with 4-5/8" and 6-1/2" barrels, adding another cylinder for 45 Colt should be a snap.

Yep, I hear they’re also thinking of coming out with a .357 magnum that converts to .38 Special. Finally!

 

[WestKentucky]

The slick part for a .454 would be a 45acp cylinder.

 

[MaxP]

A non issue in my humble opinion.

 

[Rock185]

I know I could shoot .45 Colt in my .454, but per Mr. Baker never have. I did order mine with a .45 ACP cylinder though. In my case it is no loss since I've never had any interest in .45 Colt. I did once own a Colt SAA with an aux .45 ACP cylinder. Never shot even a single round of .45 Colt in that one either. To each his own.

 

[Onty]

Yep, I hear they’re also thinking of coming out with a .357 magnum that converts to .38 Special. Finally!

I thought you are joking:

The Model 97 design, with a smaller frame than the Model 83, was introduced in 1997, originally with a six-shot .357 Magnum cylinder (.38 Special cylinder available).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Arms

Apparently, FA has the same opinion about shooting 38 Special in 357 magnum:

https://singleactions.proboards.com/thread/11359/freedom-arms-shoot-38s-357

Max, I would say that at least 90% of shooters would agree with you. And targets certainly confirm your statement. However, I am one of those 10%, and was always thinking that for the specific round should be specific cylinder. Could be that I am getting lazy lately just to think about scrubbing cylinder after shooting shorter cartridge.

IMHO, if one could afford $750-$850 for 454 Casull Bisley https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/736676008711 , another $100-$150 for second cylinder shouldn't be the issue. Same applies even more for FA Model 454 Casull, with price $2500 to over $3100, and $375 for additional cylinder.

 

[1KPerDay]

Interesting.

 

[CraigC]

Freedom Arms is a bit different. Their guns are made to such tight tolerances and with minimum spec chambers, so that the carbon ring formed when firing .45Colt in a .454 chamber can actually present a safety issue.

 

[SDGlock23]

Yes Freedom Arms doesn't recommend it FOR THEIR GUNS because they have such tight tolerances. For a Ruger, you can shoot 45 Colt in their 454's all day, now yes you should make sure to clean them extra good if shooting mostly 45 Colt through it, but it poses no problems whatsoever. A separate cylinder in .45 ACP would be cool, but a second one in 45 Colt simply isn't needed for a Ruger 454. I've had a few of the SBH 454's and I don't have them any longer, for some reason mine didn't shoot that well and had oversized cylinder throats (which is perhaps why they didn't group that well).