Blackpowder vs other guns
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mukluk
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Two words... mail order 
Vairochana
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with a flintlock all you need is powder, or the makings, lead and a hard rock.
No need to stockpile cartriges and primers etc.
No need to stockpile cartriges and primers etc.
Our state specifically removes them from the firearms category. Unlike the fed though, if you stick in a cartridge conversion, it becomes a gun. Legally, you could strap on a percussion revolver and go to the mall. Of course the police would be on you like a chicken on a junebug.
In my state, anyone over 18 can own a muzzle loader, the only problem i find is that the Feds say a person can have up 50#s of powder and my state says we can store up to 5#s of powder. Most people want to sell 25 pounds at a time and eventually people that don't know the laws are going to be in a lot of trouble. the state also says that an auto has to have 6 inch signs on front and rear of the car when carring the stuff , so that would mean that there are supposed to be signs on the car or trk when going BP hunting.
woody22-250
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I live in MD. and we are restricted from using rifles in my area. So we are a forced to use shotgun for deer hunting.I hunt in an area where there are alot of big fields and a shotgun just doesnt have the distance.I bought a Knight MK-85 and a Knight Disc muzzle loader,i have not taken my shotgun out since i found out that i can use a BP during shotgun season.you get twice the distance and its alot more accuret the only disatvantage is you only get one shot,but i like the fact that the one shot i have will be where I place it and not just close. I also think that because you know you only have the one shot you become more aware of your surroundings and when you do take your shot,you make it count. I have owned alot of BP guns and I wouldnt own any but a KNIGHT.
Actually, that's not quite correct. The ORS's don't mention turkey sandwiches, but they do mention black powder guns. You can carry a turkey sandwich into a court room in Oregon, but you can't carry a black powder revolver into a court room in Oregon. There are municipal codes which restrict them more severely than the state statutes.
If I read the Oregon Revised Statutes correctly, it appears that my black powder revolver may be exempt from the concealed carry permit requirements, if some judge hasn't already ruled that the statutes don't say what they actually say. And they do that a lot. But even if no judge has mangled the clear intent of the law, under the municipal code of the city I live in, it is a violation to even open carry my black powder revolver without a concealed carry permit, because my city includes antique firearms and replicas under its definition of "firearm". It is illegal to possess a loaded firearm of any sort in a public place, and this includes in a vehicle on the road, without a concealed carry permit.
While Oregon even exempts people from the concealed carry permit requirements while hunting or fishing, or traveling to or from hunting and fishing, when you go through my town you are breaking the law if you don't first unload that weapon, unless you have a concealed carry permit.
So, yes, the state law pretty much treats black powder revolvers much like turkey sandwiches in most geographic parts of the state, but some judge could have ruled that the law doesn't say what it says, and unless you're sitting in a tree stand with a hunting license during the appropriate season, you could be in violation of local law.
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DixieTexian
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They can't see you as well after you fire your first shot.
bigbore442001
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There is the fun factor but for me as a Massachusetts resident, I have other reasons for an advantage.
Massachusetts has always been a shotgun only state for whitetailed deer. It has been that way for a hundred years. It ain't gonna change. You can use muzzleloading rifles druing the shotgun season. I find for my style of hunting out of a treestand, it gives me more range.
There is also another aspect.A large number of people in this state lost their right to carry a firearm when the laws were changed. Some types of misdemeanors like simple assault and DUI became grounds for the loss of your license( you need a permit for a long arm in this state). So muzzleloading, being exempt, was the only recourse for many hunters who would otherwise be out of luck .
Massachusetts has always been a shotgun only state for whitetailed deer. It has been that way for a hundred years. It ain't gonna change. You can use muzzleloading rifles druing the shotgun season. I find for my style of hunting out of a treestand, it gives me more range.
There is also another aspect.A large number of people in this state lost their right to carry a firearm when the laws were changed. Some types of misdemeanors like simple assault and DUI became grounds for the loss of your license( you need a permit for a long arm in this state). So muzzleloading, being exempt, was the only recourse for many hunters who would otherwise be out of luck .
alucard0822
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Im not sure about Oregon, but in maryland they have signs in the courthouse "no food or drink allowed in courtroom", so even a turkey sandwich isn't allowed
arcticap
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They load and shoot much like the old fashion cannons, and the powder load and projectile can be customized on the spot just prior to being loaded. The barrel actually serves as a sort of "shell casing" for the components to be loaded into. And muzzle loaders offer people the opportunity to economically own and shoot larger caliber guns, without much of the sharp recoil normally associated with the high power smokeless cartridges. Some of them certainly can be more accurate than cartidge guns, although not all. Loading them is part of the overall fun of shooting, and then there's the undeniable "boom" factor that's a major part of the enjoyment of it all too.
Cap n Ball
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Economy, sound, smell, smoke, fire, tradition and with enough practice very accurate. Because of the obvious dangers involved using these weapons one becomes a much more safe and responsible shooter.
arcticap
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Threeband, I think that I've heard that about New York.
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the state also says that an auto has to have 6 inch signs on front and rear of the car when carring the stuff , so that would mean that there are supposed to be signs on the car or trk when going BP hunting.
Wow! What State is that, if I may ask?
http://www.labor.state.ny.us/workerprotection/safetyhealth/sh39_12.shtm
New York, the law also states that if the vehicle carring BP is parked on the street, a person has to stay with the vehicle, so if a person is in the woods hunting, they better not leave a can of powder on the seat,
here's another killer part of the law.
(1) No person shall discharge firearms at, against or within 100 feet of a black powder storage box where such storage box contains five pounds or less of black powder.
How is someone supposed to shoot a deer with the powder horn on his person if he can'r shoot the rifle with in 100 feet of the powder??
the state also says that an auto has to have 6 inch signs on front and rear of the car when carring the stuff , so that would mean that there are supposed to be signs on the car or trk when going BP hunting.
Wow! What State is that, if I may ask?
http://www.labor.state.ny.us/workerprotection/safetyhealth/sh39_12.shtm
New York, the law also states that if the vehicle carring BP is parked on the street, a person has to stay with the vehicle, so if a person is in the woods hunting, they better not leave a can of powder on the seat,
here's another killer part of the law.
(1) No person shall discharge firearms at, against or within 100 feet of a black powder storage box where such storage box contains five pounds or less of black powder.
How is someone supposed to shoot a deer with the powder horn on his person if he can'r shoot the rifle with in 100 feet of the powder??
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Black powder vs other guns
Nothing can give you the fun of shooting more than any bp gun.. You can shoot a hundred cartridges and have fun but ten blackpowder shots will equal that and easily give you more buzz. I have shot thousands of cartridges and never had a misfire but I have not had the same success with bp and thats where the fun comes. Its never a dull moment with bp and it makes you take the care to ensure that a misfire does not occur. The joy of cleaning up after bp where you know you must get every last bit of crud and make the gun look as new. The tooth fairy is watching and will exchange the crud for rust. Am I a romantic?
Mad(as a hatter)Turner
Nothing can give you the fun of shooting more than any bp gun.. You can shoot a hundred cartridges and have fun but ten blackpowder shots will equal that and easily give you more buzz. I have shot thousands of cartridges and never had a misfire but I have not had the same success with bp and thats where the fun comes. Its never a dull moment with bp and it makes you take the care to ensure that a misfire does not occur. The joy of cleaning up after bp where you know you must get every last bit of crud and make the gun look as new. The tooth fairy is watching and will exchange the crud for rust. Am I a romantic?
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