cool45auto
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Is this normal? I can't figure out how to make it stay back like I can my SKS when it's unloaded and after emptying a magazine if I'm not keeping count I get the "click". Is it not supposed to stay back?
Bolt on AK won't stay back after last round.
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Nick1911
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IIRC from reading on here, it dosn't lock back, but others can give you a more definite anwser.
(like I saw a kit that could convert it, but it requires special mags, so I say
to that! lol)
Nick
(like I saw a kit that could convert it, but it requires special mags, so I say
to that! lol)Nick
Gary G23
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It is not designed to lock back.
orangeninja
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The AK will not lock open.....not designed to. Maybe you should sell it to me.
aguyindallas
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Alduro, I am with you....sounds like it is broken...
I will glady purchase it from you and make the needed repairs so that this firearm can me "restored" to a safe condition!
I will glady purchase it from you and make the needed repairs so that this firearm can me "restored" to a safe condition!
possenti
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My AK doesn't stay open on the last round, but....
I did modify my safety to manually hold the bolt open for inspection / fixing feeding malfunctions (although it hasn't yet).
With my Dremel Moto-tool, I cut a shallow square into the top edge of the safety, so when the bolt is pulled fully rearward, the safety can be snapped up to "hook" the bolt handle. After loading a magazine, a simple downward flick of the safety chambers the first round.
If you do this, be careful not to cut away too much and weaken the part, but cut enough to fully hold the bolt open. The cut shouldn't be a perfect square, but the front-most cut should be slightly angled back to firmly hold the bolt. I recommend removing this part before doing this, so metal dust doesn't foul the internals of your AK.
This description would be much simpler if my digi-cam was working...
I did modify my safety to manually hold the bolt open for inspection / fixing feeding malfunctions (although it hasn't yet).
With my Dremel Moto-tool, I cut a shallow square into the top edge of the safety, so when the bolt is pulled fully rearward, the safety can be snapped up to "hook" the bolt handle. After loading a magazine, a simple downward flick of the safety chambers the first round.
If you do this, be careful not to cut away too much and weaken the part, but cut enough to fully hold the bolt open. The cut shouldn't be a perfect square, but the front-most cut should be slightly angled back to firmly hold the bolt. I recommend removing this part before doing this, so metal dust doesn't foul the internals of your AK.
This description would be much simpler if my digi-cam was working...
son of a gun
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The Russians put tracer rounds in the mags 28, 29 bullet positions to alert them not to fire the # 30 bullet that's loaded in the chamber, before first changing the mag that way they don't have to recharge or cock the gun.
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Logistar
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Some types of AKs can be made to stay open (manually) if you hold it open and pull the trigger (or something like that). But that won't help when you are firing it.
I also found out that if you do that and forget (like I did) and then insert a magazine, it MIGHT just slam shut - chambering a round and creating the *SLIGHT* possibility of a slam fire when maybe you weren't expecting it.
Anyone remember how to make it stay open without any mods? (Only seems to work on certain types of AKs.)
I also found out that if you do that and forget (like I did) and then insert a magazine, it MIGHT just slam shut - chambering a round and creating the *SLIGHT* possibility of a slam fire when maybe you weren't expecting it.
Anyone remember how to make it stay open without any mods? (Only seems to work on certain types of AKs.)
igor
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The Izhmash-made Saiga M3EXP01 has a bolt hold-open device - it's a small lever on the right lower edge of the receiver, below the selector, that you push up while holding the bolt back. To disengage, you pull the charging handle.
This has nothing to do with a hold open after last round in mag, though.
This has nothing to do with a hold open after last round in mag, though.
clubsoda22
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Boris Says: "Stupid capitalist pig! You have been spoiled by your AR-15!"
Yeah, buy a package of tracers.
Yeah, buy a package of tracers.
cool45auto
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I hear you guys!
Thanks for the info. This is my first AK and was just curious. Possenti: I would appreciate pics when you can.
Texas Gunman
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I know this info isnt going to be much helpful, but someone did market a device that you can install inside your receiver, that add the function of your bolt locking back on last round.
Had their link book marked, but I have a new PC, check out ak-47.com, you might be able to find link/addy there.
TG
Had their link book marked, but I have a new PC, check out ak-47.com, you might be able to find link/addy there.
TG
cool45auto
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Thanks for the pics yzguy! Time to get out the dremel!
possenti
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The digi-cam may be busted, but not my scanner! I just plopped my MAK90 on top and scanned it. Here's some more pics to help you out:
cool45auto
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Thanks Possenti!
son of a gun
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wHY DO You want it to stay open ? Besides for safety issues of seeing an empty chamber. The Russians put tracer rounds in the mags 28, 29 bullet positions to alert them not to fire the # 30 bullet that's loaded in the chamber, before first changing the mag that way they don't have to recharge or cock the gun.
RustyHammer
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It is broken.
Do NOT use it!
Send to me .....
I'll "dispose" of it properly,
trust me!
Do NOT use it!
Send to me .....
I'll "dispose" of it properly,
trust me!
Cyberdyne systems
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a normal part of the simplistic AK design, loose tolerances, less parts to worry about.
ny32182
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For those of us who don't put tracer rounds in the 28 and 29 positions in the magazine, I do consider it to be one of the primary weaknesses of the AK platform in general. You find out you are out of ammo by hearing a click when you thought you were going to get a bang; then you begin the process of your two handed mag change: find a spot to rest the stock. A table, or even your hip will work well in a pinch. Use your shooting thumb to press the lever, and your off hand to rotate out the old mag. Find and insert new mag. Ooops, didn't get that front lip in there the right way... start over. Mag inserted!! Rack action. Boy, I hope no one was shooting at me during that time period... 
Yes, its perfectly normal.
Yes, its perfectly normal.
KaceCoyote
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Its not like it takes 10 minutes to work that bolt yaknow. Its a luxury, not a requirement. I think its a good tradeoff personally, I'll take the luxury of unbeatable reliability over a -slightly- quicker reload. Train for no bolt close, and it shouldnt be a problem. Dont expect every rifle to do it the same way as western rifles.
I wouldn't think it's needed that much...the 20 and 30 round mags make it so you can reload when you CAN, not when you HAVE TO. You have to have been in deep **** to be at the point where you have to work the bolt in a military combat situation unless you specifically wait until you are completely out of rounds to reload.
On any other gun that doesn't hold so many rounds (Like an unmodified Saiga) I would definitely want to have the bolt stay back to ensure faster reloads. With hi-cap rifles, I don't think its a necessary feature. Wanted, sure, but not neccesary.
On any other gun that doesn't hold so many rounds (Like an unmodified Saiga) I would definitely want to have the bolt stay back to ensure faster reloads. With hi-cap rifles, I don't think its a necessary feature. Wanted, sure, but not neccesary.
son of a gun
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I kinda worry in a real combat situation some sand and stones could fall in there and jam it. You would be more likely to get crap in there with the safety off, but not having the ability anymore to seal it completely may be a problem. when you dive in a fox hole or traverse some other loose terrain in a scramble for you life you might not realize small pea size gravels invading the cut out.
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