Book: HEAD SHOT (deals with JFK thing)

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I feel sorry

I truly feel sorry for those that actually believe the WC tome.

It was a FAST coverup and did any check to see how many connected to the murder DIED really fast afterwards.

Not just LHO,but Jack Ruby !.

Those that do any investigation,NEVER believe in coincident = never ever.

I was an LEO, and that FACT stands as true today as it did in 1963.

The ballistic evidence has STILL not been released,funny that so many KNOW what happened but have not seen the EVIDENCE.

Feel free to believe as you chose,but remember that most of your beliefs are based on a LACK of factual information that is hidden.
 
The "ballistic evidence" has been analyzed by experts up one side and down the other. The recovered bullets and fragments are still in evidence.

People who believe in conspiracies are like the Westboro Baptists, or any other religious cult who are blindly loyal to a specific philosophy or canard. No matter the facts, no matter how many times one points out that people SAW Oswald in the window, people a floor below heard the shots & the empty rifle cases hit the floor, no matter how often it is pointed out his handprint was on the rifle, not matter how many people debunk a grassy knoll rifleman because the BALLISTIC TRAJECTORY IS ALL WRONG the conspiracy adherents will still whine about "hidden" evidence and how many people "died" (were killed by the illuminati, no doubt:neener: ) but in the end those wild flying faery stories are no more than that.
Don't bother "feeling sorry" for me.
I'm fine, I like "realville" and the cold cruel world of reality.
If I want science fiction I'll turn to Heinlein or Asimov and no matter how I enjoy it, realize, always, it's just FICTION, it ain't real.
 
This not true. He is actually in South America kept alive in a secret Nazi compound along with Hitler (who would be a hundred and how many now?).

The super intelligent Nazi scientists are working feverishly to combine their genetic materials into an evil mastermind who is personable on TV.
They suceeded, and their evil mastermind was elected president in 2008.
 
scaatylobo said:
I truly feel sorry for those that actually believe the WC tome.

Yeah. You know what's also bs? That stupid moon landing hoax. That can' really happen, too many "coincidences" for that to be real. There's gotta be a thread around here somewhere about that....I'm off to find it.
 
Yeah. You know what's also bs? That stupid moon landing hoax. That can' really happen, too many "coincidences" for that to be real. There's gotta be a thread around here somewhere about that....I'm off to find it.

Sshh...!!

That's how the Nazi scientists deflect attention from the breeding tubes. Do you want to spill the beans?


Did you think Von Braun was a rocket scientist?

Ok. Back on topic now. Or I'll get us locked. I'll delete if wanted.
 
OMG, and you tag is 'real'

"johnny on the spot dollar" [ toilet reference ? ]

Picking on my online tag is about as silly as a 'realist' can get ?.

If you really care,check ALL those that died with knowledge as to the shooting - ALL OF THEM.

You might find that the numbers are too far out of normal to be 'coincidence'.

But seems you already know better and I have come to the realization that those that already made up their mind - are not about to open that pile of poo.

If you happen to have the ballistic PROOF then please share it,the public has not seen it in 49 YEARS.
 
@ johnny toilet ! - I had to.

Back a few decades ago the list of all the witnesses to the shooting and those that did recordings,was posted and so many had passed that the number was higher than the sum total of dead in the nation on any given day.

I bet that 'list' is no longer available ! [ reason = conspiracy ].

But the fact that LHO died too soon to answer ANY questions,and Ruby knew he had stomach cancer and died really fast,means to this retired cop that there is NO such thing as "coincidence".

And the list of those is too long to bother with,like the open top car - had that not been used guess the outcome would be a 'bit' difference.

I learned that coincidence is a word that is used to cover up that which we dont want explained [ or some dont want explained ].

btw scaatylobo is my SASS shooting name and has meaning to me,if you care I can explain.
 
Back a few decades ago the list of all the witnesses to the shooting and those that did recordings,was posted and so many had passed that the number was higher than the sum total of dead in the nation on any given day.

I bet that 'list' is no longer available ! [ reason = conspiracy ].
Supposition. No evidence.

But the fact that LHO died too soon to answer ANY questions,and Ruby knew he had stomach cancer and died really fast,means to this retired cop that there is NO such thing as "coincidence".
It means to this active duty cop that there is no evidence. At best, it's something that looks rather suspicious. It proves nothing.

And the list of those is too long to bother with,like the open top car - had that not been used guess the outcome would be a 'bit' difference.
Again, proves nothing. And the use of open topped cars was common then. Security was far less stringent in past times than it is now. All during WWII, for example, a motorist could drive right up under the north Portico of the White House, walk in, and ask for an appointment to see the president. He wouldn't likely get one, but the point is, security was so much less stringent in those days that you could drive right up to the building and walk inside. FDR rode in open cars throughout his term, as did Truman and Eisenhower. Presidents stopped doing that precisely because of the Kennedy assassination.

I learned that coincidence is a word that is used to cover up that which we dont want explained [ or some dont want explained ].
Supposition. No evidence.

Sometimes, coincidences really do happen. That's life. At best, as I said, you have something that looks suspicious, and which may mean that something more sinister was going on, but you have no solid evidence from which to draw reliable conclusions, and the fact that no one, with all the people that would have had to have been involved in a far reaching conspiracy has ever, in half a century, let any real, solid evidence slip, suggests that a conspiracy of that kind is unlikely after all.
 
The X-100 limosine that Kennedy used (that being the Secret Service's designation) was used in its "open top" configuration at the insistance of President Kennedy.
Was Kennedy part of the conspiracy to assassinate ....himself?
 
The X-100 limosine that Kennedy used (that being the Secret Service's designation) was used in its "open top" configuration at the insistance of President Kennedy.
Was Kennedy part of the conspiracy to assassinate ....himself?
By golly that's it! He was determined to end mail order gun sales, but knew that the people wouldn't support gun control measures, and realized that he had to offer himself up as a sacrifice to put a stop to them!
 
Billy Shears

Sorry bro,any cop that needs evidence that is that old and DISTROYED due to a "coincidence" and does not see that evidence - makes me glad he dont work my AO.

The destroyed evidence was fresh when it was in the papers back a 'few' decades.

Sorry you cant access it,that dont make it non existent.

But if your happy that its all in my mind,then I am happy your mind is that closed.

I saw the proof that there was MUCH not answered,including the ballistic evidence that will never be released to the public.

Guess your trustful of those that did see it,that smacks of a 'hidden' investigation.

If its all good to go for you.

Enjoy that which you will never see or know,after it might not exist - might not !.
 
Sorry bro,any cop that needs evidence that is that old and DISTROYED due to a "coincidence" and does not see that evidence - makes me glad he dont work my AO.
You know what, if the cops in your neck of the woods decide someone's guilt without evidence, I'm glad I don't work in your AO either.
 
HUH.

I said I never believe in COINCIDENCE.

If that means guilty without evidence then I am not the mind reader you are.

As an retired LEO that spent 26 years doing the job,I was taught from experience that there 'might' be one coincidence.

One is all that any I know would allow,then its all suspicious beyond curious.

Guilt is a totally different animal .

BUT since YOU dont see or get to see all the "coincidences" of the investigation,then you say they dont exist except in my mind.

I would trust the judgement of a fellow LEO a hundred times more than a 'govt' investigation.

After all real coppers have an instinct that the 'govt' never had nor would understand.

If you dont read me here,then I am sorry I bothered to stress your keyboard.
 
Meh, there's enough breadcrumbs laying around all over the place on this subject that people can follow a trail pretty much wherever they want.

I could believe, perhaps, that mafia in the days of "omerta" might be able to keep mouths shut at the higher levels for years, but they all have boastful underlings....government officials are leak-happy....foreign powers? Something probably would have been said after the collapse of much of the communist world, no?

FOR ME, the biggest hole in most conspiracy theories is people; a lot of people involved, from puppetmasters to pawns, and NOBODY ever spilled the beans? You LEOs here, how many crimes were busted wide open by a criminal boasting about how they got away with it? And theoretically, the Kennedy assassination was/would be a HUGE political coup for the perpetrators...nobody ever gloated. And who stood to benefit SO MUCH that they could keep the mouths of everyone involved sealed shut for 50 years? Omnipotent indeed...
 
Driftertank

So you really believe that all 'secrets' are let loose at some time in a future that you foresee?.

I still have not seen the forensic's have not 'leaked out' since the shooting.

And as to all talking about their deeds,I have met a few from "alphabet" groups that are going to their grave with stuff that has not and never will be mentioned [ yes even to me ].

And a few close friends that served in our military,are still not talking about what they did or where they went in the service of our country.

they were sworn to secrecy and they actually took that as a oath that was not to be broken.

I see it much differently than you.
 
Since I moved to the Dallas area in 1990, I have been to Dealey Plaza many times. I’ve been to the Sixth Floor several times. I was 8 years old when JFK was assassinated. I think I must have read dozens of book on the assassination, mostly conspiracy-book. I have always had issues with the Warren Commissions’ version of the JFK assassination. At first, I was a conspiracy “nut.” But now, I am on the fence. I still have issues with JFK’s movement after the fatal shot, who the heck was Jack Ruby, who the heck was LHO, the magic bullet, why LHO easily defected the Soviet Union, how did LHO miss the first, and closest shot (he even missed the limousine.), who were the “Secret Service/LE” on the Grassy Knoll immediately after the shooting, and why did so many people run up the Grassy Knoll after the final shot? There are other issues/questions that I have.

But one question that I have that has not been answered, or I have yet to find the answer, is did LHO have any range time with the MC rifle? I’ve heard about his “dry firing” practice. He wasn’t a first class “sniper,” so did he just pick up a rifle and start shooting at Walker, and then Kennedy? I would think that anyone with Marine training would know enough as to try a gun out before he seriously use it?
 
FOR ME, the biggest hole in most conspiracy theories is people; a lot of people involved, from puppetmasters to pawns, and NOBODY ever spilled the beans? You LEOs here, how many crimes were busted wide open by a criminal boasting about how they got away with it? And theoretically, the Kennedy assassination was/would be a HUGE political coup for the perpetrators...nobody ever gloated.
A man who said he was a Federal informant has said that he spent a good deal of time talking to Carlos Marcello in prison, and that Marcello said he did it. Said that Oswald was his man. Marcello had been extradited to Columbia and was back in the country illegally. How to find him was among the Attorney General's meeting agendae on the morning of November 22, 1963.

Oswald is seen as a young man in early photos with his CAP unit. The leader, also shown in the photos, was Marcello's pilot, who had flown him in and out of Columbia.

It was widely reported on radio and local TV and in several papers at the time that a plot to try to assassinate JFK in Chicago (Gilorma (Sam) Giancana's territory) in early November had been uncovered, and later that day, that the cancellation of JFK's trip to Chicago (Pierre Salinger: "The President has a cold") was due to the information about an assassination plot. I was there. Everyone was talking about it.

There are reports from the time that the would-be assassins, who got away, were Cuban nationals from New Orleans (Giancana's territory). The plot was foiled by the discovery of a map of the motorcade and a warehouse (sound familiar?) that was discovered by a hotel maid. The Secret Service agent in charge in Chicago said that the Werren Commission did not receive the information.

There have been reports of a plot in Tampa (JFK went anyway). That's Santos Trafficante's territory.

In the miniseries The Kennedys, brothers John and Robert discuss wire taps of conversations among Giancana, Marcello, and Trafficante, in which the Dons express outrage of the Administration's war on organized crime. The substance of the brothers' conversation was what to do about Frank Sinatra and Joseph P. Kennedy's discussions with Giancana before the 1960 election.

The Warren Commission report contains a bio of Oswald. There is no mention of any involvment with the Civil Air Patrol.

The Report discusses various kinds of conspiracy plots, in particular those that might have involved foreign governments or US agencies or Jack Ruby, and states that they found no credible evidence of same. There is no mention of plots involving organized crime.

The Report mentions other assassination plots, including that involving Maj Gen Edwin Walker, along with numerous rumors and much speculation. There is no mention of the Chicago motorcade cancellation.

One can conclude what one will, but to me, there were those with the motive, the means, and the opportunity, and Oswald was one of the means.

The Marcello interview tapes reportedly remain sealed. Why, I do not know.

One thing that we do know from tape recordings, which I have heard, is LBJ's insistence immediately after Oswald's death that the investigation be stopped quickly.

More people are familiar with recording of the President ordering some slacks.
 
But one question that I have that has not been answered, or I have yet to find the answer, is did LHO have any range time with the MC rifle?
Yes.
 
But one question that I have that has not been answered, or I have yet to find the answer, is did LHO have any range time with the MC rifle? I’ve heard about his “dry firing” practice. He wasn’t a first class “sniper,” so did he just pick up a rifle and start shooting at Walker, and then Kennedy? I would think that anyone with Marine training would know enough as to try a gun out before he seriously use it?
I'd like more information on that too. LHO bought the rifle mail order, he would have to test it out first..suppose the rifle turned out defective? The only way he would know is if he shot off a couple of rounds. what rifle ranges did LHO shoot at? Where was the range? Did he just test it in his backyard?
 
Not long after the shooting, one of the Dallas TV stations interviewed someone who said that he had seen Oswald shooing the Carcano at a rifle range. The interview took place at a range. I saw that on TV in Chicago.
 
Not long after the shooting, one of the Dallas TV stations interviewed someone who said that he had seen Oswald shooing the Carcano at a rifle range. The interview took place at a range. I saw that on TV in Chicago.
Ok, thanks. On the documentaries on TV about JFK, I haven't seen a lot mentioned about what happened with the rifle from when LHO received it until JFK was shot.
 
Originally Posted by Kleanbore
Not long after the shooting, one of the Dallas TV stations interviewed someone who said that he had seen Oswald shooing the Carcano at a rifle range. The interview took place at a range. I saw that on TV in Chicago.

But is that in the WC, or documented elsewhere? There are people who said many things on LHO, trying out a car, being at Ruby's club, etc.
 
I've heard dozens of theories on the assassination. The ONLY one that ever had a hint of potential veracity to it was this: A sole assassin shooting from the depository window, but it was an Argentinian hired to do the job. LHO was in the lunch room and had already been prepped to be the patsy. The assassin was supposed to use a Mannlicher-Carcano so it could be tied to LHO, but there was a screwup and he used his own favorite--a Argentine Mauser in 7.65. Lethal, dead accurate and utterly reliable. He does the job, leaves the rifle as instructed, and vanishes. Cops come, pick up the Mauser in 7.65 and report that they've found the murder weapon which is called a 7.65 Mauser and referred to as a "German rifle" and "Mauser" with the very specific (and unusual) caliber of 7.65. Everyone reports it that way initially:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AqqNKsWCGY

Then someone realizes the weapon won't match the one LHO bought. Quickly a swap is done and a correction made.

And then there's the anomalous 7.65 cartridge case found in the plaza and stuck in an evidence bag later found EMPTY.

It remains very strange to this day that something as outre as a 7.65 Mauser was reported then retracted. But it could have been completely innocent, and the deputy's testimony does make some sense:

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/history/wc_period/warren_report/Weitzman.html

He likely saw the shape and confused it with the similar-looking '91 Argie.
 
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Isn't this a great thread? Everybody gets a whack at the ball. The realists, the conspiracy fans,the undecided.

Lee wrote in his "Historic Diary" from Russia in 1959 that he "wanted to go down in history."
He made it big time. 53 long years later ,we are STILL talking about the "loser".

But he changed the world. And us.

Wait now. Both side want to claim to be the realist. And I, for one, will not deny those who disagree with me their right to claim that.

So lets make the labels the conspiracy believers and the Warren Commission believers.

MB
 
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