CZ-100
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Good answer.
The only thing I would add is he should of hit him harder with the hammer...
I guarantee if I hit him he would not of gotten up and left!
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Good answer.
The only thing I would add is he should of hit him harder with the hammer...
I guarantee if I hit him he would not of gotten up and left!
sturmruger
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I have been boycotting LJS ????ty food for years!!! I hate HR departments, most of the corporate BS that gets implemented starts in the HR dept.
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What do you want to bet that this guy gets offered a better job somewhere else after all of this publicity? I mean, the man worked there for 10 years, so he can't be that big of an employment risk. Hopefully there are some good samaritan business owners in that area who are looking at all this publicity and will get him hooked up.
Screw LJS and their policy. I understand why the policy is in place, but there has to be room for exception, and it ought to be looked at on a case-by-case scenario. Had he not believed he was about to be executed, I'm sure it would have ended up like every other run of the mill armed holdup, and the bad guys would have run out w/the $, only to later be caught.
What is wrong with this country these days, with the sheeple mentality running so rampant?
Screw LJS and their policy. I understand why the policy is in place, but there has to be room for exception, and it ought to be looked at on a case-by-case scenario. Had he not believed he was about to be executed, I'm sure it would have ended up like every other run of the mill armed holdup, and the bad guys would have run out w/the $, only to later be caught.
What is wrong with this country these days, with the sheeple mentality running so rampant?
Sendec wrote:
My point was and is that company policies are not law - they are not engraved in stone - they cannot cover every conceivable situation. Thus they must be used as guidelines. Human judgement must occassionally be used to override what is written when what is written makes no situational sense.
The law recognizes that - it's why there are judges and juries. HR departments, in my experience however, do not. Give a mouse power over lions and they will exercise it to the fullest extent possible. HR departments are CYA groups. They produce nothing and know it. And that makes them feel bad. They're like legislators - if they ain't legislatin' then they feel like they ain't doin' their job. It doesn't matter that there are enough laws to do the job now - gotta make more to justify their existence. HR departments are the same - they are the bane of modern business 2nd only to lawyers.
In the LJS case it is just wrong to fire a guy who defended his life. How can any responsible company put it's profits ahead of the lives of it's employees? I know how - but I don't like it and neither should any other right thinking, moral person.
OK - I'm done ranting now.
But I have done it... And for many, many years (though I got out of the boss business about 5 years ago - I'm much happier now by the way).
My point was and is that company policies are not law - they are not engraved in stone - they cannot cover every conceivable situation. Thus they must be used as guidelines. Human judgement must occassionally be used to override what is written when what is written makes no situational sense.
The law recognizes that - it's why there are judges and juries. HR departments, in my experience however, do not. Give a mouse power over lions and they will exercise it to the fullest extent possible. HR departments are CYA groups. They produce nothing and know it. And that makes them feel bad. They're like legislators - if they ain't legislatin' then they feel like they ain't doin' their job. It doesn't matter that there are enough laws to do the job now - gotta make more to justify their existence. HR departments are the same - they are the bane of modern business 2nd only to lawyers.
In the LJS case it is just wrong to fire a guy who defended his life. How can any responsible company put it's profits ahead of the lives of it's employees? I know how - but I don't like it and neither should any other right thinking, moral person.
OK - I'm done ranting now.
Cosmoline
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Outrageous. Companies are certainly entitled to be stupid. And we're certainly entitled to stop buying from them because they are stupid.
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I can't speak for anyone else, but geez, I sure appreciate Sendec's clarifying that this whole issue is simply a Human Resource Management issue and that corporate policy trumps any American's right to preserve his or her life by defending one's self ...
And here I thought this country was predicated on our individual rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness ... and the freedom to protect ourselves from those who would attempt to take same from us.
And here I thought this country was predicated on our individual rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness ... and the freedom to protect ourselves from those who would attempt to take same from us.
Oh, bull, its easy to blubber on about the big bad meanies who make the rules, until, of course, you need one of those rules for your benefit, like for overtime and seniority.
HR doesnt produce, huh? Who hired you? Personnel assets are one of the largest investments in any company, whose worth is largely dependent on its personnel, which are largely a product of HR. If we could bottle commons sense, we would not need personnel manuals.
Go ahead, mail the guy a couple bucks, that'll do more good than getting all snitty. Life isnt fair, deal with it.
HR doesnt produce, huh? Who hired you? Personnel assets are one of the largest investments in any company, whose worth is largely dependent on its personnel, which are largely a product of HR. If we could bottle commons sense, we would not need personnel manuals.
Go ahead, mail the guy a couple bucks, that'll do more good than getting all snitty. Life isnt fair, deal with it.
Bah Effengee =)
I dont' think i'm wrong - but that is speculation on my part... just ask the gf =)
The point was if 100% of the time (ie: its never happened there) its been business as usuall - then MOST people are not prepared for when it becomes un-usual. Prepared via a gun, or a knife in the kitchen, a pot... the glass or ceramic you mentioned. or even a hammer.
In the Movie btw... the guy was a career seal - while i don't rule it out - most if not all food service managers probably aren't trained seals =)
I gave credit to the manager for thinking on his feet and realizing a situation, planning, and execution.
Someone did a book or a study or something - and said that the avg room ANYWHERE contained some number of weapons including things people would have never considered a weapon.... so of course a kitchen is prolly on the higher end of weapons about =)
J/Tharg!
I dont' think i'm wrong - but that is speculation on my part... just ask the gf =)
The point was if 100% of the time (ie: its never happened there) its been business as usuall - then MOST people are not prepared for when it becomes un-usual. Prepared via a gun, or a knife in the kitchen, a pot... the glass or ceramic you mentioned. or even a hammer.
In the Movie btw... the guy was a career seal - while i don't rule it out - most if not all food service managers probably aren't trained seals =)
I gave credit to the manager for thinking on his feet and realizing a situation, planning, and execution.
Someone did a book or a study or something - and said that the avg room ANYWHERE contained some number of weapons including things people would have never considered a weapon.... so of course a kitchen is prolly on the higher end of weapons about =)
J/Tharg!
Sendec asked:
I've worked for 3 Fortune 500 companies and 1 Fortune 50 company over the past 20 years and HR was never involved in any hiring decision. For hourly types they get involved - some - but the final decision has always been the hiring dept managers prerogative. Maybe other companies do it different but not the ones I've worked for.
HR should keep it's nose buried in benefits projects where it belongs and keep it's nose out of everything else.
Hell 60 years ago HR depts were the exception not the rule. Country got along just fine without them then. Look at employee relations now. It's totally hosed.
Does anyone think that 50 or 60 years ago a Pizza delivery guy or a restaurant supervisor would have been fired for defending their lives.
I don't! Thankyou to HR departments everywhere for making that kind of thing the norm today instead of the exception.
The VP of Operations hired me. The only contact I had with HR was after the fact and to fill out the legally required forms and sign up for Med Insurance.
I've worked for 3 Fortune 500 companies and 1 Fortune 50 company over the past 20 years and HR was never involved in any hiring decision. For hourly types they get involved - some - but the final decision has always been the hiring dept managers prerogative. Maybe other companies do it different but not the ones I've worked for.
HR should keep it's nose buried in benefits projects where it belongs and keep it's nose out of everything else.
Hell 60 years ago HR depts were the exception not the rule. Country got along just fine without them then. Look at employee relations now. It's totally hosed.
Does anyone think that 50 or 60 years ago a Pizza delivery guy or a restaurant supervisor would have been fired for defending their lives.
I don't! Thankyou to HR departments everywhere for making that kind of thing the norm today instead of the exception.
HR Employee=Social worker who wants better pay
Yes, social workers/HR have some valid functions. Unfortunately, they feel the need to expand their area of influence beyond what it is necessary for them to do...and are quite jealous of any authority they are given/gain.
It is best to keep them under tight supervision, lest they interfere with vital business functions and objectives. They are SUPPORT and need to be kept in that role.
Yep. I, too, have had some run-ins with overweening HR types. Exasperating bureaucrats. I've also run into a few squared-away HR types who understood their role. The overeweening ones can do great damage before they incite mgt to smack them into line.
Example of HR types with too much time on their hands and too much authority:
This is a business function? This is wise stewardship of shareholder investment? This helps us meet our business objectives how? If the company zeroed out such expenditures, by how much could we reduce the employees' contribution to the health insurance plan?
I can't make this BS up. It is beyond parody.
Yes, social workers/HR have some valid functions. Unfortunately, they feel the need to expand their area of influence beyond what it is necessary for them to do...and are quite jealous of any authority they are given/gain.
It is best to keep them under tight supervision, lest they interfere with vital business functions and objectives. They are SUPPORT and need to be kept in that role.
Yep. I, too, have had some run-ins with overweening HR types. Exasperating bureaucrats. I've also run into a few squared-away HR types who understood their role. The overeweening ones can do great damage before they incite mgt to smack them into line.
Example of HR types with too much time on their hands and too much authority:
This is a business function? This is wise stewardship of shareholder investment? This helps us meet our business objectives how? If the company zeroed out such expenditures, by how much could we reduce the employees' contribution to the health insurance plan?
I can't make this BS up. It is beyond parody.
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