When american ammo companies start selling .223 at $5/box, 9mm 10$/box, 7.62x54R $11/box, etc. maybe I'll consider it. The Russian stuff goes boom everytime doesn't break my gun contrary to popular opinions and is at least 1/3 cheaper than its American counter parts.
Boycott Russian ammo etc for a while?
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Kynoch
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That's a bunch of malarkey. Guns are horribly overpriced compared to other durable consumer goods in the US. Guns would be far less costly if there was true foreign competition except that government intervention beginning with the GCA of 1968 does not allow for that.
wally
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Isn't most of the current "Russian" ammo really coming from the Ukraine? In which case a boycott would be against the "good guys".
But in any case, I'd say buy some now if you need some, as if the shooting gets hot and heavy they may not want to export any.
But in any case, I'd say buy some now if you need some, as if the shooting gets hot and heavy they may not want to export any.
dmancornell
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larryh1108
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Say what?
You're kidding, right?
What other durable good can be purchased for $500, used for 10 years and be sold for $500 if it's kept in good shape?
Computers?
Phones?
Furniture?
Appliances?
TVs?
Cars?!
Seriously?
What durable good is as good of a value that guns are when you consider using it for nearly no cost other than the ammo and maintenance?
hueytaxi
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I believe the EO may include much more than Saiga. Will wait and see.
Sam Cade
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The EO is NOT a firearms ban.
It makes it illegal for US Americans to do any business with various Russian entities who the administration sees as culpable in the Ukrainian crisis and seizure of Crimea. One of those entities just happens to make firearms.
It makes it illegal for US Americans to do any business with various Russian entities who the administration sees as culpable in the Ukrainian crisis and seizure of Crimea. One of those entities just happens to make firearms.
So what are you going to boycott? All 7.62x39? 5.45x39? 7.64x54R? What about those that aren't coming from Russian factories? Since Russia isn’t the only source of this ammo and the companies that import it have it manufactured in several different plants, including Russian, how are you going to know what you're buying, errr, not buying? "Russian" calibers are manufactured all over the world including places like Romania where Century Arms Red Army Standard in 7.62x54R, 7.63×39 and 5.45×39 came from. What about Wolf that gets ammo manufactured in Germany, Taiwan and Serbia ...as well as Russia. And all this is being brought in by American companies (Wolf is an American company) who are having it packaged for them.
This is a much more complicated idea when you look at it in detail.
This is a much more complicated idea when you look at it in detail.
jcwit
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Quite a classy statement.
WW1 started with the assassination of Austria’s Archduke Ferdinand.
Which at the time was of little concern to folks here in the U.S.
BobTheTomato
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No WW1 started when all of Europe tied themselves up in alliances and got in a fight. If you are so eager go over and enlist in the Ukraine army.
splattergun
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there ya go
The perfect use for all those of steel jacket 7.62x39 rounds that I can't shoot in the desert any more.
Ignition Override
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hso: The original question is always an attempt to learn from others' more well-rounded and experienced perspectives.
Dumb questions usually result in education.
I was already planning to order another case of Wolf 7.62x39 (preferably "Uk.") in a few weeks anyway, but wondered what effect even a one-month boycott could have.
It's impossible to determine whether "Ukrainian" Wolf is actually produced there, and with Russian the same case.
Dumb questions usually result in education.
I was already planning to order another case of Wolf 7.62x39 (preferably "Uk.") in a few weeks anyway, but wondered what effect even a one-month boycott could have.
It's impossible to determine whether "Ukrainian" Wolf is actually produced there, and with Russian the same case.
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He is right and you know it .I can buy as sledge hammer knock down a concrete wall for $25 and it will last 100 years. norinco made forged M-14s for $350 and I shot 2 inches at 200 yds with $3.99 norinco ball. Well here we go with another glutton 22 RF run on Russian ammo. Now I know why I bought 2 PCP pellet rifles
medalguy
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Let me know when US ammo companies stop treating the American civilian as an afterthought after government contracts, foreign buyers, and cops.
Well for starters, when a company does business with the government, they have first priority on the products you supply, and they have priority on the materials used to produce the product they are buying from you.
This of course does not really apply to Lake City since it's a GOCO (government owned, contractor operated) facility. They make nearly everything they require in the facility and source very few things from outside.
So if you have a contract to supply ammo, the government requires any commercial supplier to obtain firm commitments from YOUR suppliers that they will supply you in preference to any other commercial manufacturers. This prevents a supplier from saying they cannot supply their government contact orders because their own suppliers are oversold to the commercial market such as reloaders.
Well for starters, when a company does business with the government, they have first priority on the products you supply, and they have priority on the materials used to produce the product they are buying from you.
This of course does not really apply to Lake City since it's a GOCO (government owned, contractor operated) facility. They make nearly everything they require in the facility and source very few things from outside.
So if you have a contract to supply ammo, the government requires any commercial supplier to obtain firm commitments from YOUR suppliers that they will supply you in preference to any other commercial manufacturers. This prevents a supplier from saying they cannot supply their government contact orders because their own suppliers are oversold to the commercial market such as reloaders.
MedWheeler
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My wife is Russian-born and raised, and is currently over there with our daughter. They go every year. While she is there, she is spending money in her hometown and about.
Is this something I should be stopping? Gee, should I even let her come back?
Is this something I should be stopping? Gee, should I even let her come back?
While y'all were busy arguing over all this, I was busy hitting the "proceed with order" button, which will now once again force the UPS driver to need back surgery. My shooting past time has been mostly possible due to Russian produced ammo, and I am just fine with that. It's generally cheaper, accurate enough for most of our shooting, reloads well enough, and stores well in the plastic bags. I will continue to buy it, at least until his Majesty the-all-knowing-one cuts it off.
Ignition Override
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A case of Wolf (for retirement) from SGAmmo was ordered tonight. Approx. $239.
Our Fearless Leader will find any pretext to cut off any type of guns or ammo availability when the timing seems right. The public does not notice one small step at a time...until it is too late. Most never notice.
It never was my intention to actually begin a boycott (and never stated as such), but whether it could be effective as a short-term statement.
Our Fearless Leader will find any pretext to cut off any type of guns or ammo availability when the timing seems right. The public does not notice one small step at a time...until it is too late. Most never notice.
It never was my intention to actually begin a boycott (and never stated as such), but whether it could be effective as a short-term statement.
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Twiki357
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Considering all the ammo that the Russians are selling to Syria, Iran, Iraq, 90% of Africa, etc., I don’t think they would even notice a boycott by US shooters. We’re just an outlet for excess production.
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This one has severe "off topic"itus. I'm calling it "asked and answered".....
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