Owen Sparks
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Then by logical extention wouldn't you have to actually use it as a weapon before being charged with a crime?
Crime is an action, not a tool.
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Then by logical extention wouldn't you have to actually use it as a weapon before being charged with a crime?
Crime is an action, not a tool.
As far as brass knuckles are concerned, if you are caught with them you are considered guilty untill proven innocent. Brass Knuckles are just one of those things that leave a bad taste in every ones mouth, right or wrong , that is the way it is.
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As far as the legality of carry, my home state of Kentucky allows it with a carry permit. Kentucky issues concealed deadly weapons license so it allows the carry of them as well as nunchukas,shurikens and a few other things.
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A Roll of Quarters will suffice!
Owen Sparks
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Law or no law I much prefer a short heavy stick to brass knuckles.
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Not necessarily; concealed carry of designed as weapons is expressly prohibited. Use or intent to use is not a requirement. I believe that conviction of illegal carry of a deadly weapon places you under disablity to possess a firearm.
ETA IANAL
Well you can get knuckles of a similar design made of 1/2" lexan.
http://www.knockoutknucks.com/lexanknuckles_s/4.htm
http://www.brassknucklesnation.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=lexan
Many more dealers, some cheaper. These are the first two I grabbed off google.
I have no idea as to the legality. One of the websites is claiming they're 50 state legal. I doubt it. (PS Found a 2008 Daily News article saying they're illegal in NYS. Probably other states as well.) The intent is the same as brass knuckles, you're just substituting a different material. They can say whatever they want, they won't be sitting in jail and/or court with you.
The problem isn't having the police misunderstand why you're carrying them. It's having them accurately understand why you're carrying them.
http://www.knockoutknucks.com/lexanknuckles_s/4.htm
http://www.brassknucklesnation.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=lexan
Many more dealers, some cheaper. These are the first two I grabbed off google.
I have no idea as to the legality. One of the websites is claiming they're 50 state legal. I doubt it. (PS Found a 2008 Daily News article saying they're illegal in NYS. Probably other states as well.) The intent is the same as brass knuckles, you're just substituting a different material. They can say whatever they want, they won't be sitting in jail and/or court with you.
The problem isn't having the police misunderstand why you're carrying them. It's having them accurately understand why you're carrying them.
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I know for a fact that several states have closed the non-metallic loophole. California added to their law so that wood, plastics, composites etc. all still count if the item is designed to inflict more damage when you punch people with it.
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A short, heavy 5" stick can be every bit as effective as brass knuckles if you know how to use it as a strike enhancer. It will concentrate the power of your strike on a very small hard surface. You can butt it into the heel of your palm just like a short knife and use it in the same stabbing/thrusting motion. Actually a short stick is better because it will be easier to release if you need to use your hand as something other than a club. Best of all it can double as something else that is perfectly legal to have in your pocket like a flashlight. The main limitation to strike enhancers is that they do not make you a better puncher, they just make your punches better. If you are not already a pretty good boxer these things have very limited value. You have to be able to reliably land a punch with your body behind it and that requires a good bit of training. In the hands of a trained boxer or a Karate black belt short sticks are a fearsome weapon. In the hands of your wife or girlfriend, not so much.
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Of course, a short stick functions effectively as a "yawara stick" or "kongo" as well, striking with the stick itself in a variety of techniques.
This seems to be moving towards a "lost art"; I recall extensive articles on techniques published years ago by various MA rags like Black Belt.
However, not so much any more.
Brass knuckles suffer from the same problem that switchblade knives do... they are still seen as a "thug's" weapon, something used by the mob enforcers to "tune up" a businessman who didn't want to pay "the vig".
They seem endlessly fascinating to some folks, however; over at bladeforums we have constant discussions about them and folks wondering where they can get good ones.
This seems to be moving towards a "lost art"; I recall extensive articles on techniques published years ago by various MA rags like Black Belt.
However, not so much any more.
Brass knuckles suffer from the same problem that switchblade knives do... they are still seen as a "thug's" weapon, something used by the mob enforcers to "tune up" a businessman who didn't want to pay "the vig".
They seem endlessly fascinating to some folks, however; over at bladeforums we have constant discussions about them and folks wondering where they can get good ones.
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I don't know about lexan but I did play with a pair made of light weight aluminum. It did not work very well on a punching bag as it lacked the mass and weight of real brass.
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Knucks, like blackjacks, or slappers, or whatever you call them.... are best left at home. As a street cop for many years, coming across folks armed with various "tools" was very common. Depending on the circumstances I either advised them quietly that such things could get you jammed up on the street (and left it to their good intentions to take the hint....) or used the weapon as either grounds for an arrest or the deciding factor about whether to arrest them or not for other things....
In short, one of the best tools any street cop has is their discretion about whether to make an arrest or let the guy go (particularly for minor stuff - we're not talking about discretion if you've been dumb enough to actually use a weapon on the street and there's an injured party involved...). At least that's the standard I used and encouraged my young cops to follow. Anyone that considers carrying a pair of brass knuckles (or similar things) should think long and hard about that. I can't remember how many times I didn't arrest someone when the facts would have supported the arrest. Add a weapon of some sort to the equation and you're on the wrong end of the deal.
In short, one of the best tools any street cop has is their discretion about whether to make an arrest or let the guy go (particularly for minor stuff - we're not talking about discretion if you've been dumb enough to actually use a weapon on the street and there's an injured party involved...). At least that's the standard I used and encouraged my young cops to follow. Anyone that considers carrying a pair of brass knuckles (or similar things) should think long and hard about that. I can't remember how many times I didn't arrest someone when the facts would have supported the arrest. Add a weapon of some sort to the equation and you're on the wrong end of the deal.
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Concealed deadly weapon and Felony in most states.
mdauben
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You would be right. Using AL law as an example, they say:
IMO it would be very difficult to argue that "plastic knuckles" are not "of like kind" if you were caught carrying them.
lemaymiami
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Remember, as well, that if you're in court listening to your lawyer telling everyone that you're a great guy, with a great reputation.... You've already lost.....
1. Reach for kicker pedal on Harley.
2. Grab kicker pedal and remove cotter pin.
3. Ready to rumble!
Useless idea, sure, but I've had the photos for years, just had to drag 'em out. Nice novelty accessory, but that's all. I'm certainly not interested in hitting anyone/anything that hard.
And no, that's not me or my bike! I could only dream of having a stock Knucklehead like that one.
2. Grab kicker pedal and remove cotter pin.
3. Ready to rumble!
Useless idea, sure, but I've had the photos for years, just had to drag 'em out. Nice novelty accessory, but that's all. I'm certainly not interested in hitting anyone/anything that hard.
And no, that's not me or my bike! I could only dream of having a stock Knucklehead like that one.
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