Brazil bans handguns as deaths soar

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The powers in charge will not be able to figure out why the murders, rapes, robberies and assauls increase after the firearm ban goes into effect. It is not about gun control, it is about citizen control.

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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/157382_brazil21.html

Brazil bans handguns as deaths soar
Nation has a slaying every 12 minutes, president notes

Wednesday, January 21, 2004

By LARRY ROHTER
THE NEW YORK TIMES

SAO PAULO, Brazil -- No country in the world has a higher rate of homicide by firearms than Brazil, and the toll is highest in large cities like this one. Now, in what gun control advocates describe as a bold but risky social experiment, Brazil has virtually outlawed possession of handguns.

Since just before Christmas, no one in this nation of 175 million except police officers, soldiers, and prison and security guards has been authorized to carry a pistol.

The sale and trade of weapons has been similarly limited: The illegal purchase, possession or furnishing of arms has become a criminal offense with no bail and long prison terms. Most gun owners must hand over their weapons within six months.

"This is an expression of the unanimous will of society to cut the spiral of violence that unsettles us and embarrasses us before humanity," President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva said when he signed the bill.

Noting that a homicide occurs in Brazil every 12 minutes, he added that "this statute is certainly not the solution to everything, but it is an exceptional step forward."

No one knows how many guns are circulating in this vast nation, which is larger than the 48 contiguous states of the United States and shares a similar history of cowboys and explorers pushing, often violently, to open a rugged frontier.

About 2 million guns are legally registered, but government officials estimate that the number of unregistered weapons may run as high as 20 million, including those of poor peasants who hunt out of necessity.

Under the law, no one who is under 25 or has been convicted of a drug or alcohol offense is permitted to own a gun. To acquire a weapon, an applicant must submit a statement of need -- the rural hunters, for example, can qualify, but the standard of need is much stricter in cities.

The applicant must also prove that he or she has no criminal record and is gainfully employed and then register the weapon with a new centralized federal data bank after paying a $350 annual tax.

But the law contains an unusual feature that worries gun-control advocates in a country where people talk about ambitious laws that are passed but "don't catch on" for lack of enforcement. A national referendum has been scheduled for October 2005, in which voters will be asked whether they want the gun sale restrictions to continue or be revoked.
 
Experiment? Washington, D.C., England & Australia have already proven that violent crime increases with gun prohibition.
 
A national referendum has been scheduled for October 2005, in which voters will be asked whether they want the gun sale restrictions to continue or be revoked.
Well, it is not all bad. They realize, at least, that it may not work. They are giving it 12-24 months. The AWB here was set for 10 yrs.
 
...... "A homicide occurs in Brazil every 12 minutes"......

Well look out citizens, now it will probably be every 6 minutes when the BG's who will keep their guns are confident there target is unarmed
 
"A national referendum has been scheduled for October 2005, in which
voters will be asked whether they want the gun sale restrictions to
continue or be revoked."

These laws are about as likely to be overturned as that Lula will leave office peacefully. No doubt he feels the "unanimous will of society" has put him where he can exert maximum benign control just because it's the right thing to do...

Wait a minute, that sounds like someone else...!
 
Just read the old thread and one of the posts mentioned 'promised land reform in the last election.' Then it clicked and everything fell into place. You need to disarm farmers so that ruffians can steal their productive land and plunge the nation into famine and chaos.
 
A national referendum has been scheduled for October 2005, in which voters will be asked whether they want the gun sale restrictions to continue or be revoked.

OK, everyone turns their guns in, then in 2005 they're gonna what, give them back? Give everyone a gift certificate at the local gun shop, what?

Once they're gone, they're gone. What will the citizens be able to do about it then? Nothing.
 
Once again, it is blaming the tool, not the user.

I wonder why, when a building collapses because of shoddy construction, they don't ban the hammers and saws?
 
I'm so sure all those shootings are being done by law-abiding citizens who will immediately turn in their illegal firearms. :rolleyes:
 
Why don't they just make sure everyone has a Taurus with "authorized user" technology instead? :rolleyes:
 
Noting that a homicide occurs in Brazil every 12 minutes
Sounds high. That's 43,800 FIREARM ONLY homicides per year. Not including other types of homicide or other causes of death. Can anyone verify that 12 per day number?

GT
 
Good, Brazil will be yet another shining example of why gun control doesn't work. Better Brazil then US.
 
The applicant must also prove that he or she has no criminal record and is gainfully employed and then register the weapon with a new centralized federal data bank after paying a $350 annual tax.

$350 ANNUAL tax is a lot for folks here in the US. I seriously doubt there are many of us here who could afford to pay $350 per weapon in annual taxes not have a severe financial burden. Ten guns?...Try $3500 annually.

Good Shooting
Red
 
So now, when gun crimes soar in Brazil, who WILL We blame, what WILL We do? Pass more laws, further restricting legal arms ownership.
Cause and Effect. Or is it Effect and Cause?

More anti-gun laws = more criminals being caught (who weren't criminals yesterday, but who, having kept their guns, now are outlaws), so in that sense they will see some victory as they "take more guns off the streets" via police action. More illegal guns will be made and sold since prohibition always brings out a "Black Market", so we'll be fighting that crime as well and announcing the results to the world, Crowing "SUCCESS" all the while.

But will the murder rate climb or descend? Anybody want to take a guess and then we'll come back late next year and see who wins?
One thing for certain, the law-abiding population of Brazil will NOT be among the winners, I'd bet. (Sometimes, my grasp of the obvious is right on, I tell ya).

Can't we just eliminate the criminals? Catch you committing a crime with a gun once, you get a steel barred cage in the Amazon for 20 years. No parole or early outs. Need food, water, medicine or clothes? Hope your family can come through for you, cause all we promise you is a Gov't provided steel barred cage for the next 20 years.

Is that too cruel and unusual? Bet it'd work.
 
I have an excellent short machete, made in Brazil

I imagine that there are many similar implements, and bigger ones, in that country. We have learned (or should have learned) from the happenings in Rwanda
that people don't need firearms to do mass murder and genocide. I don't think there's much to choose between being chopped to death or being shot to death. If everybody had firearms, there might be bloody violence, depending on the local taste for such doings, but at least the bigger, stronger, younger and nastier folks would not always win.
 
The applicant must also prove that he or she has no criminal record and is gainfully employed and then register the weapon with a new centralized federal data bank after paying a $350 annual tax.
350 US Dollars = 993.650 Brazilian Reals as of 1-23-04.
 
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