MikePGS
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Very happy to hear that the good people of California are making progress in their struggle.
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There are still hurdles to traverse, but this is a very nice start.In California, the only way that the typical responsible, law-abiding citizen
can carry a weapon in public for the lawful purpose of self-defense is with a
concealed-carry permit. And, in San Diego County, that option has been taken off
the table. The San Diego County policy specifies that concern for “one’s personal
safety alone” does not satisfy the “good cause” requirement for issuance of a
permit. Instead, an applicant must demonstrate that he suffers a unique risk of
harm: he must show “a set of circumstances that distinguish [him] from the
mainstream and cause[] him . . . to be placed in harm’s way.” Given this
requirement, the “typical” responsible, law-abiding citizen in San Diego County
cannot bear arms in public for self-defense; a typical citizen fearing for his
“personal safety”—by definition—cannot “distinguish [himself] from the
mainstream.”
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In other words, D.C.’s complete ban on handguns in the home
amounted to a destruction of the right precisely because it matched in severity the
kinds of complete carry prohibitions confronted (and struck down) in Nunn and
Andrews. These, in turn, resemble the severe restrictions in effect in San Diego
County, where the open or concealed carriage of a gun, loaded or not, is forbidden.
Heller teaches that a near-total prohibition on keeping arms (Heller) is hardly
better than a near-total prohibition on bearing them (this case), and vice versa.
Both go too far.
Good reminder, thanksThis decision may also be a reminder about the importance of judicial appointments. O'Scannlain and Callahan were respectively appointed by Reagan and Bush; Thomas was appointed by Clinton.
*May/Shall Issue, AWBs, gun free zones, growing insanity of the NFA & BATFE enforcement, open carry, reciprocity, 'reasonable restrictions,' the list is getting to be quite long and we're pushing firmly on all fronts and making actual progress.
I don't it is going to make much difference. Pretty soon in California, the only handgun still legal will be cap and ball revolvers. The percussion caps would have to be micro stamped of course.
The Courts generally try to avoid making law. They rule on the issues brought before them and if they find the law involved to be flawed, their only real option is to declare it unconstitutional and thus invite the legislative branch to try to get it right.Does it seem possible that the Supreme Court, realizing all of the potential legislation coming their way due to their recent rulings, can just decide to look at the entire right-to-carry system as a whole and make a ruling based on their previous decisions? They've already stated that states can impose certain limits to types of arms but basic rights like mentioned above could be ruled on in one, fell swoop and save millions of dollars in litigation and thousands of hours of court time because 50 states could ask the same question, with variations, on a hundred different issues. Things like right-to-carry, all states honoring a permit to carry, shall issue, etc., are all things that can be put to rest with one decision.
Is it feasible?
The short answer is "no." A court decides a case, i. e., the dispute in front of it.larryh1108 said:Does it seem possible that the Supreme Court, realizing all of the potential legislation coming their way due to their recent rulings, can just decide to look at the entire right-to-carry system as a whole and make a ruling based on their previous decisions? ....
Is it feasible?
Will this only apply to California? Or can people from 'needs based essentially may issue' states like NJ, MD and HI can use this as an argument. What are the chances for this to affect New York State since both CA and NYS have may issue/shall issue areas.
But, since this ruling was by a three-judge panel, might this be further reviewed by the full court, if California requests it?
Does that mean that since California already has procedures on the book for issuing CCW license that immediately everyone that qualifies and applies for a license must be given one now?
Starting on page 64, they start punching holes in the decisions made by the 2nd, 3rd and 4th circuit decisions on carry outside the home.
I wonder if there's something in there that would apply to reciprocity/recognition of non-resident permits.
What's the chance of them bypassing a full review from the 11 judge panel and appeal right to SCOTUS?
Is it feasible?
Morcey2,
Nope, at least not directly. For the most part reciprocity is done by agreements between the states.
If anyone is interested, here is the account on what happened that led to the banning of open carrying in California.Back in 1967, the Legislature passed the Mulford Act; banning open carry of loaded guns.
Same in NY. There is a great deal of difference from county to county. Some are virtually "shall issue," while others are "probably won't issue."CA is unusual in that a CCW here isn't issued by the State but rather by each separate county...however, it is good anywhere in the state
Yes, California will likely request en banc review.
If it goes to the full 9th circuit court for review, I expect the decision would be reversed.
barbbwt said:I personally wish the opinion had been shorter (maybe Circuit rulings can't be) because the more verbiage there is, the more likely some future jurist can find a flaw to exploit. Hopefully the panel was thorough enough that there are no conflicts in the logic.
So what do I do now?
When does this go into effect?
Is there a chance it can be overturned?
If I obtain my CCW and it's overturned am I grandfathered?
..it is better that the government pass a law than outright bans an activity because the law can be fought in court. Caving in under the fear of threatened government action does nothing because the voluntary surrendering of the right cannot be fought in court.