(Britain) Brave grandma arrested after standing up to yobs

[Zedicus]

Yes,minusing your unrestricted choice of weapons-sigh.

If it was un-restricted I would be able to buy a brand new Full Auto.

Sadly the same Anti-Freedom Globalist Bozo's that turned the Uk into the hellhole it is today are hard at work here as well...

 

[Cosmoline]

There is one member of parliment for every constituency (kinda like a state).

The better comparison would be to a Congressional district. States in the US enjoy a co-sovereign status under the federalist system that makes them perhaps closer to nations in a federation than they are to an MP's constituency. 90% of our laws including almost all criminal laws are the product of state sovereign power, for example. And each state has its own independent government. Most Americans aren't even aware of this, though.

 

[sterling180]

If it was un-restricted I would be able to buy a brand new Full Auto.

I meant,about the weapons we lost in bans in 1989,1997 and 1998.Also you do have available,Class 3 weapons in the USA too-from what I have seen on this forum.

 

[BryanP]

Yes,minusing your unrestricted choice of weapons-sigh.

Not quite unrestricted, but considerably more than what is made available to you.

A pity, that.

In all honesty we have some truly awful areas in the US where little old ladies would not be safe to wander. But then, those aren't the kinds of places where a grandmother would walk her terrier.

 

[Zedicus]

Also you do have available,Class 3 weapons in the USA too-from what I have seen on this forum.

Unfortunitly a Very Small few Civilian Legal (No Thanks the BATFE) Class 3, and all at prices similar to that of a house....

 

[Fosbery]

About the same price as a normal rifle in Britain then

 

[Zedicus]

LOL, nearly.

But Seriously $20,000 + For an OLD M16 is a bit steep...
Even worse are M60's which run at over $100,000.

 

[razorburn]

i) she hasnt been charged with anything;

ii) sadly if someone wants to make an allegation of assault then the police in this country are duty-bound to investigate it, however (as in this case) ridiculous it may seem. This can include arresting someone for an offence (thanks to a recent change in the law it doesnt have to, though that relies solely on the person under investigation's co-operation), as seems happened in this case. As annoying as it can be, ironically of occasion it can be very useful, as it locks the complainant (who would be the suspect for the assault on the grandmother) into a story and plays very badly at court;

iii) i draw your attention to the following quote (specifically the emboldened parts):


Quote:
"I gave him three prods, almost like playful punches, not hard at all, and next thing I knew I was lying on the ground and I had broken my arm. One youth said I had been pushed.

"I went back home, shaking and crying."

Soon after, two police officers knocked on Mrs Bond's door and arrested her on suspicion of assaulting a minor. "It seemed the lad had told his mum what had happened and she had immediately lodged a complaint of assault," she said.

Mrs Bond, who lives alone, was cautioned and interviewed for nearly three hours by police officers before she was released on bail at about 1.30am.

She has now made a counter-allegation to the police of assault against the youth. But she added: "This sends out the message that if you stand up for yourself, if you try to take action to stop anti-social behaviour, you are likely to end up being arrested."



Does it strike noone as strange that a youth breaks an old womans' arm and she only reports it some time after an allegation is made against her? I would wager there is rather more to this than the Daily Mail have seen fit to report - and lets not forget that some of you have been suckered by this kind of reporting in the past.

iv) its likely despite the above that this wont get past the CPS (who will determine if charges are brought), a decision which should be known on the bail-to-return date.

v) Llandrindod Wells is in Wales, not England.

Yes, I also believe there's more to this story. It's suspicious that she does not file a report, and the article has already made a mistake in geographic error. Also, "gently prodding someone in the stomach". Nobody "gently prods" somebody during an angry confrontation and after being dared by the other person to hit him in the stomach. She may not have been very strong since she was so old, but at least her intentions were surely to hurt the yob as greatly as she could. It doesnt warrant breaking her arm but I still want to see the rest of the story before making any say in this one way or the other

 

[iapetus]

There is one member of parliment for every constituency (kinda like a state).

The better comparison would be to a Congressional district. States in the US enjoy a co-sovereign status under the federalist system that makes them perhaps closer to nations in a federation than they are to an MP's constituency. 90% of our laws including almost all criminal laws are the product of state sovereign power, for example. And each state has its own independent government. Most Americans aren't even aware of this, though.

Scotland and Wales are more comparable to US States, as they now have their own parliaments, which have authority to pass laws that only affect their own territories, with the national parliament passing laws that affect the whole country. (England doesn't have its own parliament, which means that Scots and Welsh MPs can vote on issues that only affect England, while English MPs cannot vote on issues that only affect Scotland/Wales. This anomaly causes rather a bit of irritation in England, but has not so far become a major issue in elections).

Yes, I also believe there's more to this story. It's suspicious that she does not file a report, and the article has already made a mistake in geographic error. Also, "gently prodding someone in the stomach". Nobody "gently prods" somebody during an angry confrontation and after being dared by the other person to hit him in the stomach. She may not have been very strong since she was so old, but at least her intentions were surely to hurt the yob as greatly as she could. It doesnt warrant breaking her arm but I still want to see the rest of the story before making any say in this one way or the other

Actually, I can easily imagine an old lady prodding someone in the stomach in an argument.

That said, it is entierly possible that there is more to this story than reported. Not least because it is the Daily Mail reporting it. (Which is very biased - mainly in favour of the view that the Daily Mail is the only authority competent to run the country - and which can in one article go from raging about the government trampling on people's freedoms to raging that the government isn't doing enough to crack down on people who like doing things the Mail disaproves of).

 

[bumm]

razorbum was saying
>Yes, I also believe there's more to this story.
> It's suspicious that she does not file a report,
> and the article has already made a mistake in
> geographic error. Also, "gently prodding someone
> in the stomach". Nobody "gently prods" somebody
> during an angry confrontation and after being
> dared by the other person to hit him in the
> stomach. She may not have been very strong since
> she was so old, but at least her intentions were
> surely to hurt the yob as greatly as she could.

I'm sure she DID intend to punch him, and she should have admitted it. That said, it's pretty obvious it was justified, and the police should have seen through this layer of crap.
I live in rural Iowa, and when a fellow that owns a local grocery store was threatened by a local punk, he chased him out of the store and chased him around the parking lot, successfully kicking him in the butt several times. Of course, the poor boy's mother reported this to the police, and when the police showed up to question the store owner, the conversation went something like this:

"Did you chase that boy around the parking lot, and kick his butt?"

"I certainly did."

"Oh, you didn't do that. That would be illegal.
The boy's mother filed a complaint."

"Well, I kicked his butt."

"Oh, I don't think you really did. You could get in a lot of trouble for that."

"OK, I didn't."

"I didn't think so."

The police do have to enforce the law, but a little disgression and common sense can also be used. Right is still right, wrong is still wrong.