Britain - Service Armories' Guns Stolen

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My my... I thought Britain had control of all guns. I guess either the Bad Guys are getting them or maybe the people dislike their defenselessness.
Army's 'lost' guns end up on streets
BRIAN BRADY
WESTMINSTER EDITOR
DOZENS of lethal weapons have disappeared from Britain's high-security military bases and found their way on to the streets, it has emerged.

Defence chiefs admitted they have managed to lose almost a hundred weapons, including high-powered rifles, pistols and even a light machine-gun in recent years.

Many of the guns have ended up in the hands of some of the country's most brutal criminals, including a Yardie gang in London - sparking fears that weapons have been stolen to order from bases.

Some have simply been lost by military personnel in a series of embarrassing incidents, including one in which an army captain left a loaded gun in a supermarket toilet.

New figures obtained by Scotland on Sunday show that, despite massive security at bases and strict rules on issue of firearms, thieves have managed to steal 63 weapons from the army, air force and navy over the past five years: 19 pistols, 27 rifles, 16 antique weapons and a light machine-gun. In the same period, 34 weapons were lost, while more than 500 pieces of ammunition were stolen.

One defence insider said:

"The figures in these various categories go up and down a bit every year, but we are still losing a lot of guns. A few of them will be genuinely lost, or taken as souvenirs by squaddies. But we cannot ignore the fact that most of them will be making their way on to the black market."

The Tory defence spokesman Julian Lewis said the numbers had been declining slightly in recent years, but he remained concerned by at least one item.

He told Scotland on Sunday: "I'm a civilian and I may be ill-informed, but I am particularly concerned about the possibility that a machine-gun is not where it should be. I would want to know exactly what the circumstances were in which a machine-gun made it out of a military installation."

MPs became aware of the problem after it emerged that guns stolen from a Ministry of Defence (MoD) armoury were sold to Yardie-type drug dealers. The Defence Committee was stirred into action following the revelation that 28 Browning handguns and shotguns stolen in a raid on the Royal School of Artillery armoury at Larkhill barracks in Wiltshire were still missing.

Bruce George, a Labour MP and former chairman of the MPs' defence select committee, said: "I would express some anxiety about any cache of weapons which fall into the hands of terrorists or criminal organisations.

"It is disturbing when these guns may well have emanated from British military sources."

The thefts reached a peak in 2003, the first year of Britain's Iraq campaign, with 19 thefts of weapons, including six pistols and 11 antiques.

One of the most dramatic losses came last autumn when 14 Signals Regiment had to suspend a military exercise at Templeton airfield in Pembrokeshire after an SA80 rifle - capable of firing 700 rounds a minute - went missing.

That followed the recovery of a handgun left by an army captain in a supermarket toilet in Hertfordshire.

It was found in a postbox a few days later.
http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=468312006

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Gun control can never be total Andy - almost so when it comes to law abiding folks but hey - we know the bad guys will always have and get them.

As ever, a disparity in priorities. Let the peons stay defenseless.
 
Defence chiefs admitted they have managed to lose almost a hundred weapons, including high-powered rifles, pistols and even a light machine-gun in recent years.

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Dog: "What's that? What the f*** is that?"
Mickey: "It's me bren gun."
Dog: "Couldn't you have thought of something more practical?"


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I was speaking to a Special Branch officer before christmas, he said that the police think about 1000 illegal guns a WEEK are making their way into the country, mainly from eastern europe.

It is now cheaper to by an illegal gun in a dodgy pub than it ever was to buy one legally......:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

I live on the coast near a port, and some of the chaps in our shooting club have been offered guns by the sailors coming off the boats new in the wrapper, not long ago a Beretta 92, brand new, £200 ~$350. WAY cheaper than they ever were before the ban.
 
It is now cheaper to by an illegal gun in a dodgy pub than it ever was to buy one legally
It has been that way since the Firearms Act of 1965. In the 70s, 80s and on into the 90s firearms were quite common on the black market in the local pub, club or just about anywhere else for anyone that wanted one.

In the early 90s I recall a shopkeeper telling me that some years previously an AK-47 had shown up amongst a container load of general military surplus. About '95 a couple of the lads were arrested at the local train station with an UZI and a handgun. Just a month or so later a sports bag was found not far away on one of the minor roads in a semi-rural area with three handguns and ammo inside.

The Home Office of course has always played down the street availability of firearms since the Firearms Act . But between the local national newspapers, various local and national TV news most people would have know differently.

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Strong woman....

Those Brens aren't lightweights. But they do peg the needle on the Cool-O-Meter.

And they are stealing dozens of antiques? I see a criminal wannabee holding a handful of differing cartridges, wondering which one is right for a Brown Bess flintlock.

Bart Noir
 
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>And they are stealing dozens of antiques? I see a
> criminal wannabee holding a handful of differing
> cartridges, wondering which one is right for a
> Brown Bess flintlock.

It would be interesting to know what they're calling "antique." Aside from my .45 auto, every gun I shoot is now legally classified as "curio and relic," but they shoot great. Are people actually stealing antique displays, or is it just a creative way to make the count of stolen guns seem less "dangerous?"
Marty
 
And "more than 500 pieces of ammunition were stolen. "

....Dang... someone who thinks that 500 rounds is a lot!

I think we burned through that much last Friday while having fun and teaching a young girl to shoot.
 
they need to pass a law banning guns for the army after all its for the children:neener: a sa80 is probably the only gun i think would look good going into a chopsaw.

if 500rds givs em the willys they would really freak if they saw my ammo cabinets.

500 peices of ammo?sounds like reloading components:D
 
I would be willing to bet a nickle that the real number of guns stolen from the military in the U.K. is FAR higher than listed in this article.

Governments lie.
 
500 rounds....

more than 500 pieces of ammunition were stolen

Heck my 14 yo son and I burned more .22 LRs Sunday afternoon at the gravel pit!! We hotted up a total of 6 firearms, chambered in .22LR, .25 auto, .300 Savage, 7.65 Argentine, .32 auto (in the 300 Savage) 20 Ga and 12 Ga. Kiddo burned a 525 bulk pack of Remington Golden bullets .22s all by himself in addition to 3 boxes of 20 ga and misc ammounts of the other stuff. Fast count yeilds about 900+ rounds sent downrange.

CArtridge adapters are COOL! I have Marbles Cartridge adapters that lets me shoot .32 auto in .308, .300 Savage, 30-30 and 30-06!! WAY fun and quiet too from a long barrel.

Aaron Everett
 
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