Briton cracks down on knives (even more)

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Britain seeks to curb knife crime after slayings

By JILL LAWLESS, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 41 minutes ago

LONDON - Arsema Dawit is the latest name on a somber list.

The 15-year-old schoolgirl was found dead in an elevator at a south London apartment building this week, the 16th teenager slain in Britain's capital this year. Most, like Dawit, were stabbed to death — and most of their killers were other young people.

The deaths have sparked fears of a knife crime "epidemic" among Britain's young, and spurred the government to announce tougher penalties for teens caught carrying a blade.

"Carrying a knife is completely unacceptable," Prime Minister Gordon Brown said Thursday announcing an end to Britain's system of issuing warnings to some teenagers caught with knives.

Until now, warnings were given to most of those under the age of 18 found with knives. With the change, anyone 16 or over who carries a knife with a blade longer than 3 inches will be prosecuted. Those convicted face a penalty of up to four years in prison.

"Young people need to understand that carrying knives doesn't protect you, it does the opposite — it increases the danger for all of us, destroys young lives and ruins families," Brown said. (Trueg50 added for emphasis)

For a major city, London has a low murder rate. Police say there were 159 homicides from April 2007 to the same month this year, about a third the number in similarly sized New York. But the number of victims under age 18 has risen. According to police figures, 17 teenagers were killed in London in 2006, 27 in 2007, and 16 so far this year. Eleven of the 16 were stabbed to death.

Many young people say pressure to carry — and use — knives is growing.

"It's increasing. It's stupid things like 'you have spoken to my girlfriend, I'll slash you up,' or 'If I see him out, he's having it,'" said Monique Morrison, 21, one of a group of young people who met with the prime minister Thursday to discuss the problem.

The grim regularity of stabbings over the past few months has alarmed Londoners.

The victims include 18-year-old Rob Knox, who had a small part in the upcoming film "Harry Potter And The Half-Blood Prince," and was stabbed to death while trying to break up a brawl outside a south London bar on May 24. A 21-year-old has been charged with his murder.

Knox's smiling photo and his grieving parents appeared on the front of newspapers and on television news bulletins. Two weeks earlier, it had been the face and the family of Jimmy Mizen, a popular 16-year-old stabbed with a piece of glass outside a bakery. A 19-year-old is accused of his murder.

A 21-year-old student has been charged with killing Dawit, an Eritrean immigrant who sang in a church choir and had complained to police about an earlier assault.

"It's not even a shock anymore" to hear about stabbings, said 16-year-old Vogue Huell, a student from Bromley, the south London district where Knox was killed. "It's the whole gang culture, I think. As soon as one person gets stabbed, someone goes after another person."

London's new mayor, Boris Johnson, has also vowed to crack down on knife crime. His proposals include airport-style metal-detecting arches at train and subway stations. London police recently began an aggressive new program to search anyone they wish for knives without having to justify their suspicions beforehand.

Some experts, however, say the measures are little more than political posturing.

"I'm skeptical about whether the latest measures will have an effect," said Enver Solomon, deputy director of the Center for Crime and Justice Studies at King's College London.

He said most teens who carry knives do so because they have been the victims of crime.

"The clear message from research is that kids carry knives because they don't feel safe," Solomon said. "Unless you address that feeling of insecurity, you are not going to have a big impact on the number of kids carrying knives.
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All right, this is just getting a bit crazy. I'm not huge into guns or knives and now I might not be carrying a 3 " knife all the time, but my pocket knife is close to it, and I carry a fixed blade 4" knife fishing and walking in the woods.

I say crack down on kids mis-behaving, not every single kid with a sharp object.

I am glad to be an American, if you will excuse me I need to go to go handle some firearms and knives at the local gun shop in honor those poor Britons.
 
Two weeks earlier, it had been the face and the family of Jimmy Mizen, a popular 16-year-old stabbed with a piece of glass outside a bakery.
You know whats next don't ya?
 
Wow - things are getting just plain crazy over there! It seems to me that they've learned absolutely nothing from their gun control laws.

I'd like to believe you can push people only so far before they push back and I hope the Brits do precisely that: push back and get things squared away before the military is brought in to "restore order."

Maybe that sounds extreme, but British lawmakers just continue to surprise me.

The soldiers, btw, will most likely have SA-80's; The irony is too good not to mention.

Thanks for posting this.
 
Yea … the usual Brit bashing.

What has this got to do with guns?

This subject has been published over and over again on THR and has become tedious!

Sorry if you feel offended. I did not post it to offend any one, only inform.

The minority ruin it for the majority, and some leaders do things that can be illogical, or odd, and this is just one of those things.
 
What has this got to do with guns?

Y'all already lost yours. As one of the countries closest to us in mindset, that rightly scares Americans who want to keep ours. Seeing as Australia, New Zealand, and Canada have also come down very hard on firearms ownership, it's a wakeup call.

Right now Britain is getting to the point where the state has all the power and the people have no means to resist. Look at Russia: Putin was voted into office yet he's clearly not giving up power. The same goes for Venezuela. Once you elect these people, they can simply vote themselves as permanent rulers if they put their minds to it. If you have a peaceful demonstration and they send out the (now-armed; funny how that wasn't needed before all guns were banned) police, what then? What about when your printing press or computer servers are seized?

I'd also like to point out that there's a whole discussion section on THR for non-firearms weapons, so guns aren't the only relevant topic here.
 
I believe that the OP's intention was to inform fellow THRers about this particular social phenomenon in the UK and the official response to it, however, I also believe that within a few posts the usual Brit bashing will commence. It goes right along with the French bashing, California bashing, Australian bashing, etc, etc.

I can understand exactly how Calibre 44 feels (unfortunately).
 
So, innocents will be wearing nothing while criminals wield...knives.

Nice going on that one. The logic makes less sense than an ant trying to find the exit on a pretzel.
 
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