Browning BPS

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im new to shotguns, and pretty much all i ever hear about are Mossies and Rems

then last night i came across a reasonably priced Browning BPS (~$400) and it seemed interesting because of the bottom ejection

this particular model i found had the synthetic stock; what i would like to know from you guys is, are Browning shotguns made as well or better than their Moss and Rem brethren?

this video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvM4GmBAfYY is what really solidified my interest in this gun
 
better than Mossberg and 870 express equal to wingmaster.
The above is a fair and accurate assessment IMHO. I've owned the 10ga version of the one you described for 20+ years and it has been a great shotgun. Mine was very smooth from the begining requiring virtually no break in.
 
Agreed. I own a 12ga BPS Trap. Not exactly a high end shotgun, but very well built. I've been very happy with it. Definitely a very good first shotgun. You can find Rastoff (the guy who did the video) over on Shotgunworld.com in the Trapshooting forum. He did this video to demonstrate how easy it is to use the bottom loading BPS as a trap gun. IMHO, if I was choosing between an 870 Express, a Mossberg, or a BPS, no question which one I would have. Throw in the Wingmaster, and I'd still take the BPS, as it seems to fit me better.
 
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BPS is well made and very reliable.

They are noticably heavier than the others mentioned , and possibly have a bit longer stroke, or longer distance to the forearm, which makes their handling a little different . (particularly if you have short arms)

The stalker model has the composite stock and dull blue finish.
 
Better than ANY remington or mossberg IMHO. The things are smooth pumping, great ergos. I mean, the remingtons and mossbergs get the job done, but they're not Brownings, not by a long shot.

The one thing I can criticize the BPS for is it's a might heavy. It swings a might slower than my Mossberg, comes to mount a bit slower. That said, I'd like to upgrade to a camo model in 3.5" for all around waterfowling and have been thinkin' about it. Don't really need the upgrade, though, since the Mossberg does work and has worked for me for 20 years now and I have a 10 gauge NEF for goose hunting. So, I've put it off. A BPS 10 would be nice for goose hunting, I guess, but I mostly duck hunt. I'll do 4 or 5 goose hunts a season maybe, if it's good down at the WMA. Mostly what I like doing, though, is shooting ducks. Don't need a 3.5" 12 for that.

Yes, get the BPS. You won't be sorry.
 
The BPS is a well made gun. Maybe a little heavy compared to the competition. I had three and never a bobble. But, I hated the bottom loading - not being able to get a fast fourth shot by throwing one in the open ejection port on the side. Never did warm up to that. The tang safety was a moot point to me, and I didn't care where it ejected either really. I would suggest you try one before you buy it. If you like it great.
 
BPS

I've had one going on 7 years, and love it.

A bit heavy, and lots of steel, but so are army tanks-the downside of indestructible.

I grew up on doubles with a top tang safety, so that's where I want it on a pump.

Bottom load / eject is a bit of getting used to, but time to reload is not an issue in my hunting.

Bottom eject drops the empties at your feet-handy for reloading or just not to litter the landscape.

Two downsides to the BPS which don't affect me but might matter to others:

-hard to disassemble; Browning recommends you don't even try (though many do). A PITA to reassemble from what I've read here.

-for clay games, not welcome at some ranges because with the bottom ejection and no port on the side to check, some claim it's harder for others to be sure, from a distance,that the action is open. Well....I suppose.
 
I like the action for the same reason I prefer the Mossberg over others, it has no shell elevator/load gate in the way of reloading. On a cold day, you have to hold that shell elevator up out of the way with the off hand to reload with gloves on to keep from catching the glove or if no glove, keep from pinching your thumb which can hurt if it's really cold. Doing that is sort of a pain. With the Mossberg or Browning, glove, no glove, you can load it without having to hold up any loading gate with your off hand, much less pain. That don't really matter in dove season, but when duck and goose season rolls around, it can be nippy. I'd use the gun for waterfowl if I had one. I have better dove guns, an autoloader and a SxS 20 I prefer to any pump, much less a heavy one.
 
I would way rather have a Remington 870 than a Browning BPS, especially an 870 Wingmaster.

I've used my fair share of BPS's but still prefer the 870. I don't feel that the quality of the Browning supercedes that of the 870 at all, in fact I feel that the quality of the Wingmaster is far greater than that of a comparable blued BPS.

However it is important to know what models are being compared. The BPS is a great design.
 
I grew up hunting with an Ithaca 37 that originally belonged to my grandfather. When I saw my first BPS, it reminded me of the old 37. I picked up the BPS to allow the Ithaca to go into semi-retirement. I still take the 37 out from time to time, but the BPS sees most of the work
 
Doesn't the BPS also jam badly if short-shucked? I might be mis-remembering.

I passed on a BPS "tactical" for $350 earlier this month. That was probably a mistake...
 
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My BPS has always been rock solid. Absolutley no problems as long as I do my part! The BPS I bought more recently about 3 years ago has a better finish and wood than any of my other Remington or Winchester shotguns.
 
Well, I have owned a Wingmaster and I just much prefer the Browning action. It's smoother, practically pumps itself. That Wingmaster was no better than the Mossbergs I've owned and the 870 has the worst ergos on the planet for a left hander especially. I just don't like anything about the 870 design and after dumping that Wingmaster I never looked back.

The Ithaca featherweights were sweet! They were just a tang safety away from perfection. They swung great, were fast into action. They had better handling than any steel receiver heavy pump gun.
 
I was dead set on gettin a 870. I went to the gun shop and held pretty much every shotgun they sell (maybe~25 different models). The 870 was expensive and the BPS was only $100 more or something like that. I went with the BPS and couldnt be happier. It is heavier but I feel its better made
 
The Ithaca featherweights were sweet! They were just a tang safety away from perfection. They swung great, were fast into action. They had better handling than any steel receiver heavy pump gun.

Of course, the Featherweights were/are made of steel too. As I recall, Ithaca made some alloy-receivered guns and they were dubbed "UltraLights". And, in addition to employing a tang safety, the addition of a second operating arm would really beat on the door to perfection. :)
 
The BPS is about the nicest pump gun made these days.

It's heavy for my taste (mountain upland hunting will do that to you) but it points and handles very well. It has a refined character about it, somewhat like the Model 12 and Model 31, that is lacking in other current-issue production pump guns.
 
I had a BPS 20 ga. for a year. It was very well made, but very heavy. I already had a 870 special field (which I intended to sell) but ended keeping the 870 and sold the Browning. I really like Brownings, I have a 12ga Superposed and it is the best shotgun I have ever shot. For anything but really fast upland game (quail, grouse) the BPS would be fine.
 
It's heavy for my taste (mountain upland hunting will do that to you) but it points and handles very well. It has a refined character about it, somewhat like the Model 12 and Model 31, that is lacking in other current-issue production pump guns.
Well described AB. I was considering adding a 16ga BPS to my assortment until I picked one up at a Bass Pro shop recently. It didn't do anything for me, felt more like a twelve.
 
Yes, but they're still available readily on Gunbroker. Based on your posts, I don't think you want one of these - not because they are not a quality gun, but for other reasons related to your needs and preferences...
 
When I shot pump shotguns, I had two BPS (12 and 20) and liked them a lot. I liked the tang safety and the bottom eject. They were a bit heavy but I was younger. Better, smoother actions than Mossberg, at least as good as Remington.
 
I have two BPS, including the 'Tactical' with no problems. I find them to be exactly what they are, a quality, reliable pump action shotgun. I believe Browning only made the 'Tactical' for one year. I don't know why they do that, make a run for a year or so, but that's they way they do things. A couple years ago they made an 18", extented mag for only one year----go figure.
 
I'm guessing, because of the lack of an ejection port to load through after the mag is shot empty, the "tactical" version of the BPS would be less desirable? I don't know, I'm not into ninja training with ninja guns, but just a guess.

Well described AB. I was considering adding a 16ga BPS to my assortment until I picked one up at a Bass Pro shop recently. It didn't do anything for me, felt more like a twelve.

Well, a lot of 16s over the years were simply 12s chambered for 16. Same is probably true of 28s and 20s. The 16 gauge guys have a thing for finding "true" 16s.

When I shot pump shotguns, I had two BPS (12 and 20) and liked them a lot. I liked the tang safety and the bottom eject. They were a bit heavy but I was younger. Better, smoother actions than Mossberg, at least as good as Remington.

People speak of smoothness as if it's a constant. When I got my 500 new, yeah, it was a little rough, especially compared to a Browning. After 20 waterfowl seasons, it is slick as a baby's butt now days. :D They do polish themselves over time. As a functional waterfowl gun, there's not a thing wrong with the Mossberg or the Remington Express if you'd prefer those things with their awful ergos. One shining quality I like about these guns is their lack of expense. Both will last a hunter forever, but if they do get rusted up in the salt marsh, you really don't care so long as they shoot. :D If I get a more expensive shotgun, I won't often use it for waterfowl. Hell, my Winchester auto was a cheap gun, $255 new in around 1990 dollars, but it's wood and blue, looks relatively nice, and I like it and don't wanna mess it up. :rolleyes: That may be a little stupid, really, but I know what the marsh and boat rides on the bay can do to a nice gun. The Mossberg and the Express are rugged enough and cheap enough to replace. The Express is a bit of a rust magnet. If I wanted one, I'd sand blast it and paint it with black paint. Many guys I know do that to 'em to keep the rust monster at bay. Get one in camo like my 500 and that's not necessary.
 
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