Buddy wants to buy my RockOla M1 Carbine, how much?

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So I'm in the position where I have to downsize my collection considerably and I've got a buddy who wants to buy my RockOla. We both know the gun is worth some decent money and neither of us wants to rip anyone off. Is there some kind of valuation service we could use to set a fair price or authenticate the guns originality?

This carbine appears to be 100% original and never arsenal rebuilt. No lug on the barrel, early flip sight and magazine release, the bolt seems to be blued (hard to see in the pics) and the rest of the metal is parkerized. All markings (barrel, sight, receiver, magazine, etc...) all show correct markings. There is a tiny bit of the wood missing out of the stock near the sling/oiler and normal handling marks for a weapon that has served its duty. The minor damage to the wood has no affect on using the weapon. I had it out last weekend and it still runs like a champ.

I bought the carbine from a guy I worked with around 10 or 15 years ago. He received it from his father who served in WWII. The story his dad told him is that the carbine was carried by his close friend who was killed. His dad kept the carbine and brought it back in a duffle bag. It sat unfired until I bought it. We live in a very dry climate so there's no rust to speak of anywhere that I can see without disassembly. The bore was clean when I bought it and still is. I've only put a couple of hundred rounds of modern ammo through it since I've had it.

Over the years I collected a couple of original cloth bandoliers still almost full with the old corrosive ammo (one pouch was empty) which I never shot, and an unused M15 grenade launcher sight. I'm not sure if these addons add much value or not, but they're cool nonetheless!

One day I was going to put it all in some kind of shadow box and hang it on the wall, but never got around to it (and its too much fun to use at the range!).

We're guessing it's worth somewhere between $1500 and $3000, any help in getting a fair value assigned would be much appreciated. Thanks!
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US made US issue .30 Carbine ammo has used non-corrosive primers from the beginning.

The French made some .30 Carbine ammo with corrosive primers used in a post WWII French carbine that was like a minature CETME but that ammo is not commonly found any more.

Corrosive primers can ruin the gas system of the M1 Carbine because it is not intended to be disassembled in routine cleaning and was designed to be used with non-corrosize primers only.

I still would not shoot that ammo. Just the fact that it is original has a cool factor beyond price.
 
Oh didn't know that, guess just the .30-06 was corrosive? And totally agree, wouldn't have shot that old stuff for the cool factor alone!
 
Wow. I'm not an expert on the M1 carbine, but I know a little about them. My understanding is that Rockola is one of the more desired brands. It seems yours has the original Rockola barrel. As with all unmodified WW2 era carbines, you have the old flip sight, no bayonet lug, and a flat top bolt. Also a early push button safety, which was later replaced to a swivel type to prevent accidental release of the mag when trying to place the weapon on fire. This tells me that this is what some would call a "all correct" carbine, which would significantly increase its value. It seems that carbines that fire start around $1000 around here- a lot more than my first, bought for $120 in the early 90's.
 
Anymore, I usually use Gun Broker to get an idea of what things are currently going for.

This was the first Rockola on the page, and similar to what you have...

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/902790481

This was what I searched. I use the "Completed Auctions" in the advanced search section so you get an idea of what actually sold and for what, vs what people are asking. You can tell if they had bids or not.

As you can see, they kind of go all over the place. I usually take the average of a bunch that are simialr, and figure thats probably about the going rate. Gets me in a reasonable ballpark anyway.

https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search/completed?Keywords=m1 carbine rockola&Timeframe=1&Sort=1&PageSize=48
 
$3000 easy. Rockola and IBM are the two most desired manufacturers.
I would put it on the for sale forum over at CMPforum.
In fact, if you just posted pics and told how it came home from the war, your in box will be filled with offer PM's.
 
Nice rifle and you can get a ball park estimate from different sites. I would want to know what the barrel readings were. In the end it will be worth what your buddy is willing to pay for it and not because of the story behind it. Bring back stories are a dime a dozen. While some are true a lot are hearsay. My Dad got sent home in March of 45 from the European theatre and tried to bring his carbine back. Of course this was not allowed as the war was still going on and they needed every weapon available. I'm selling one of my Garands to one of my good friends for less than I could get for it elsewhere because we are friends and he will enjoy it. YMMV...
 
Anymore, I usually use Gun Broker to get an idea of what things are currently going for.

This was the first Rockola on the page, and similar to what you have...

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/902790481

This was what I searched. I use the "Completed Auctions" in the advanced search section so you get an idea of what actually sold and for what, vs what people are asking. You can tell if they had bids or not.

As you can see, they kind of go all over the place. I usually take the average of a bunch that are simialr, and figure thats probably about the going rate. Gets me in a reasonable ballpark anyway.

https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search/completed?Keywords=m1 carbine rockola&Timeframe=1&Sort=1&PageSize=48
I wonder if this will hold true for much longer, GB fees are up and they are forced to collect tax now for everyone, even non businesses.
 
I wonder if this will hold true for much longer, GB fees are up and they are forced to collect tax now for everyone, even non businesses.
The guns still sell for what they sell for, and what people seem to be willing to pay, and the sold prices are just that.

They dont reflect the fees and tax. And realistically, the tax and shipping are what affect the buyer. Seller pays the fees.

I often wonder how many even consider that shipping and now tax, when they are bidding, and how they can drive the price you thought you were paying up a good bit more. If you arent paying attention, that can really bite you.
 
The guns still sell for what they sell for, and what people seem to be willing to pay, and the sold prices are just that.

They dont reflect the fees and tax. And realistically, the tax and shipping are what affect the buyer. Seller pays the fees.

I often wonder how many even consider that shipping and now tax, when they are bidding, and how they can drive the price you thought you were paying up a good bit more. If you arent paying attention, that can really bite you.

When it comes to Gunbroker, I always check the shipping price before I bid. If it's too high or if it states "Shipping will be determined after auction ends", I don't bid.

Back to the RockOla, buy/sell the gun, not the story. In that type original condition, it's going to bring $2500 on the low end, $3000 on the high end.

You can get a much better idea of its worth on the CMP Carbine Forum.

35W
 
A very similar Rockola sold at auction recently (as in two months ago) for $2700. The imported ones recently sold by Midway were getting $2900.
This one, for having a Type I band and clean cartouches, is easily worth $3000.

Bandolier is worth around $10-15 per each; the magazines are worth about $20-25 each (way more if still in waxed paper). Genuine GI ammo is running about $1 - $1.50 per round. Oddly, bandoliers of ammo on stripper clips runs cheaper than GI boxes, but that may be the box, not the ammo.

That M-16 sight is maybe $15-20, there are just too many of them in unissued new condition.

Hope any of that helps.
 
It appears to be an original early features Rock-Ola.

In that condition, I’d say $3000 on up. Depends on the buyer.

Like the Colt Python craze from a few years ago (still ongoing) the M1 carbine is currently in titanic demand and prices for them are tremendously higher than they were a couple years ago. Their value continues to skyrocket at an almost unbelievable pace. That is a very sought after example as well.
 
The NRA Fine condition Rock-ola carbines at MidwayUSA were about $2,000, but I doubt they were as nice as this example. Assuming it is all 'correct,' which admittedly means something different for M1 carbines where none of the prime manufacturers made all their own parts, I think closer to $3,000. That's an exceptionally fine carbine. More with the accessories and ammo. Big bonus for it being a take home gun with no reimport marks.
 
Instead of Gunbroker... if it were me I'd go to the CMP's auction site and do a review of past sales of carbines there, if possible. The only carbines that make it to their auction are the ones in better condition than average - or rarer... Just scanning it for a few weeks should provide you a ball park for your carbine... Good luck with the sale (and, if to a friend you'll have to decide whether to go for top dollar...).

Just made a point of checking CMP's auction site and found that I'm sadly behind the times with them... No carbines currently for auction (and only seven or eight auctions since 1 January, this year... Yes, you can go back much much farther - but that will soon get you back to more normal times (pre-panic buying this past year...) so probably not very useful...

Guess they're really out of carbines at present...
 
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How much more?
I've seen them, on militaria sites, up in the $45-50 range (that's from the cachet of being actual GI issue). Sa, not long ago, a "bandolier" of seven waxed paper mags in a cloth bandolier offered at $350 (not sure they were ever issued that way, pretty sure they were in stripper in bandoliers and the empty mags in wooden cases).

"Regular" shooters will balk at such prices, obviously, even with the known reliability of GI-issue mags. So, you might get $5 more per each. Maybe. Perhaps. YMMV.
 
I often wonder how many even consider that shipping and now tax, when they are bidding, and how they can drive the price you thought you were paying up a good bit more. If you arent paying attention, that can really bite you.

Shipping is the one you really have to watch, especially on ammo, brass, accessories.

I had one seller try to jam me for shipping on EVERY SINGLE CARTRIDGE CASE for .25-20 brass when I was buying 100. He had almost $100 in shipping and wouldn't work with me, got really pissy with me when I told him to cancel the transaction because there was no way I was going to pay that for a 2 pound parcel only to have him pocket an extra $90 on top of the over $100 for the brass.

There are eBay sellers who play that game, too.

IMO, it's fraud. A couple bucks over actual to cover packaging is fine, but outrageous shipping charges and, especially, adding the same amount for each additional (small) item is fraud. Some of the China sellers are notorious for that tactic, an item that's normally $50 listed for $2.99, but shipping is $55 instead of $8.
 
Midway had Rockola’s at 2,500 and they sold out of them in less than 5 minutes. I’d say 3k is not a bad price for yours in the condition and stuff you have for it.
 
Blue Book of Gun Values shows original Type I semi-auto Rockola M1 Carbines ranging from $2500 for a 100% condition down to $800 for 60% condition:

Rockola $2,500 $2,275 $1,750 $1,300 $1,050 $875 $800

Condition is everything in used WWII long guns.

Harry
 
So I'm in the position where I have to downsize my collection considerably and I've got a buddy who wants to buy my RockOla. We both know the gun is worth some decent money and neither of us wants to rip anyone off. Is there some kind of valuation service we could use to set a fair price or authenticate the guns originality?

This carbine appears to be 100% original and never arsenal rebuilt. No lug on the barrel, early flip sight and magazine release, the bolt seems to be blued (hard to see in the pics) and the rest of the metal is parkerized. All markings (barrel, sight, receiver, magazine, etc...) all show correct markings. There is a tiny bit of the wood missing out of the stock near the sling/oiler and normal handling marks for a weapon that has served its duty. The minor damage to the wood has no affect on using the weapon. I had it out last weekend and it still runs like a champ.

I bought the carbine from a guy I worked with around 10 or 15 years ago. He received it from his father who served in WWII. The story his dad told him is that the carbine was carried by his close friend who was killed. His dad kept the carbine and brought it back in a duffle bag. It sat unfired until I bought it. We live in a very dry climate so there's no rust to speak of anywhere that I can see without disassembly. The bore was clean when I bought it and still is. I've only put a couple of hundred rounds of modern ammo through it since I've had it.

Over the years I collected a couple of original cloth bandoliers still almost full with the old corrosive ammo (one pouch was empty) which I never shot, and an unused M15 grenade launcher sight. I'm not sure if these addons add much value or not, but they're cool nonetheless!

One day I was going to put it all in some kind of shadow box and hang it on the wall, but never got around to it (and its too much fun to use at the range!).

We're guessing it's worth somewhere between $1500 and $3000, any help in getting a fair value assigned would be much appreciated. Thanks!
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Personally, I’d be nervous about selling a gun to a friend right now. Just because what guns are worth currently, is more than I would want to charge a friend.

I’d be worried that In the back of his mind, he would always feel like I charged him too much
 
Shipping is the one you really have to watch, especially on ammo, brass, accessories.

I had one seller try to jam me for shipping on EVERY SINGLE CARTRIDGE CASE for .25-20 brass when I was buying 100. He had almost $100 in shipping and wouldn't work with me, got really pissy with me when I told him to cancel the transaction because there was no way I was going to pay that for a 2 pound parcel only to have him pocket an extra $90 on top of the over $100 for the brass.

There are eBay sellers who play that game, too.

IMO, it's fraud. A couple bucks over actual to cover packaging is fine, but outrageous shipping charges and, especially, adding the same amount for each additional (small) item is fraud. Some of the China sellers are notorious for that tactic, an item that's normally $50 listed for $2.99, but shipping is $55 instead of $8.
But ammo is the one thing that is cheap and easy to ship!

UPS charged me $90 to ship a 15-ounce revolver, but only $9 to ship like ten pounds of ammo.

By the way, if anyone knows of a cheaper way to ship handguns out to FFL‘s, please let me know
 
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