Build or buy a FAL?

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Okay, I really want to add a FAL back to the collection and need to do it on the cheap. Yes, a DSA or pre-ban FN or SAR48 would be ideal, but funds are limited, so here are the options I have been considering. Buying a Century FAL and taking a chance on their hit-or-miss QC and making any needed fixes over time or buying a receiver and parts kit & requisite US parts and putting it together myself. Either way the overall price for each option is about the same, save the need to have the barrel cut, crowned and fitted/timed to the receiver if I go the do-it-almost-yourself route.

I am looking for some feedback from those that have the CIA FALs and your experience with them as well as those that have built a parts kit rifle and the difficulty in doing so.
 
Expect to spend $125+ for all of the tools (including the barrel installation stuff, assuming you have a bigass vise you can use and decide to go that route, and the DSA tool kit). Its not that hard to barrel the thing (get all the parts on the barrel in the right order, then turn with a wrench and cheater bar until certain parts line up), but its intimidating to do alone, without an experienced builder to offer advice. I ended up taking lots of pics while I was doing it and posting them on Falfiles to get opinions/advice whenever stuff didnt work right. Doing the rest was cake, about as hard as working on an AR15.

Also, no matter what ANYONE says on Falfiles, buy the complete set of pin gauges (0.001" increments), I went with the advice to go with 0.002" increments and ended up getting a slightly wrong locking shoulder size, which I had to file to fit.

Kharn
 
I don't know what the top of your budget is, but the best option for me was to pick up a refurbed lower form DSA, a new Imbel upper receiver, US parts from FSE, and have a pro assemble it. The assembly costs are not much more than the cost of the required tools, and if your going to build only one, it is probably worth it. I think mine ended up costing around $650. I'm quite happy with it.

Arizona Response Systems assembled it - cut and crowned the barrel (18") - stamped the receivers, bolt, bolt carrier, and barrel with matching numbers - and test fired.
The trigger on this FAL is the best of any rifle I currently own (except for my K31...maybe).


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Based on all the things I've heard about Century FALs, and the ones I've personally seen, I wouldnt recommend going that route. If you're gonna just buy one, then go the Ohio Rapid Fire route.

You might not need to buy all the tools for a build. I'm sure if you look on FALFiles there will be a person in your area that has everything already and would be happy to help you for the cost of a case of beer or so.
 
i would check out FALfiles. they're always having group buys on parts kits and there's probably a FALfiles member in your general area that has all the tools.

ohio rapid fire and arizona response system bot get really good reviews over there if you're looking at getting a complete rifle.
 
I'd like to politely disagree about the CIA Fals. I've got one as do both of my buddies and they are workhorses and none of us has had one moment of problems with them. The are also very accurate and I've shot my in competitions successfully. Ours were purchased in the last two years so are the latest "iteration" of the "unibrow" receiver and not the early versions which, in deed, has some problems with the Hesse receivers.

I embarked on a build myself a year ago Christmas in an attempt to build a second FAL. I must tell you that I'm experienced with tools. The problem I encountered with building the FAL was the locking shoulder and timing the barrel. With an L1A1, you need a breeching washer that will provide the proper timing. With a STG or "metric" FAL, there is another proceedure to follow. Both, however, require that you find the proper locking shoulder and that's a pain in the butt. Unless you have access to a handfull of different sized pieces, you'll go nuts trying to get that thing locking properly and every time you add pieces, you add money and shipping and handling thus increasing the cost rapidly. Add to that the cost of go/no-go gauges and special tools, and you're rapidly escalating your investment.

If,otoh, you purchase a CIA model, which will be an "inch" model, you'll have a shooter out of the box which you can then retrofit anything you'd like to create the model you want, as long as you stay in compliance with all the regulations in 922(r) [which is another consideration, btw. You can easily be out of compliance without the required pieces] . The unibrow receiver that CIA puts on their rifles has only been excellent to me and my friends and any lingering "issues" guys have had with the Century FALs have gone away.

So, spending about $450 for a working rifle and retrofitting on another $100 in new furniture or features is a lot quicker and cheaper than building from scratch.

Theoretically speaking, building a FAL won't take that long and isn't that hard if you have the special tools and a large assortment of bits and pieces at your disposal. And, building one is certainly a feeling of accomplishment. I've recently built an AR15 A1 and found it very satisfying. The FAL was a disappointment because everytime I turned around, it cost more and more and wasn't going to be worth it in the end. And this is regardless of which receiver you purchase, btw.

Just my 2cents. My best suggestion is to find someone locally who owns a CIA L1A1 and ask if you can try it. I'll bet you have a great time!

Rome
 
Unless you have access to a handfull of different sized pieces, you'll go nuts trying to get that thing locking properly and every time you add pieces, you add money and shipping and handling thus increasing the cost rapidly. Add to that the cost of go/no-go gauges and special tools, and you're rapidly escalating your investment.

Thats the reason for buying the pin gauges in 0.001" increments, they cost like $1-$1.50 each and ordering all at once will cut down on S&H. Measure with those, and you only need to buy one locking shoulder (on a metric build; an inch build requires messing with the washer as there arent as many locking shoulder sizes available).

Kharn
 
I'll vouch for ohio rapid fire fals.I got the carbine model from them for 475 and it does what its supposed to do.it has imbel receiver and everything else is argy plus the required us parts(a DSA gas piston was in there).finish didnt wipe off with hoppes like the "other" fal did...I have had 2 other fals.1 was a build by a idiot..the front sight(rather the whole barrel) was on crooked and it had a hesse receiver(which at that time was supposed to be great).was j-u-n-k.the second was a century built stg gun.had an imbel receiver and i paid an extra 150+ to have it checked out,refinished and customized.worked great.took a huge hit financially and had to sell it for a big loss.this 3rd one..i got from ohio rapid fire.great gun but am someday going to replace the furniture with wood and a steel handguard...add a muzzlebrake of somesort.thats all it really needs,ORF did an excellent "grey" park job and everything checks out perfectly in fit and function.sometimes they offer a special price on the net.
 
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