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I was shooting my 94 today, I had it fully loaded but only shot 2 rounds. When I unloaded the gun I noticed 3 of the shells had the bullets pushed down about 1/4 of an inch. I was able to pull them back out to where they were seated before but was not sure if they should still be fired or not, and what if I had shot them while they were pushed down like they were if it could have caused any damage
 
94??? Winchester 94 in 30-30???


Factory or reloads?

Crimped or not?

Generally...shooting rounds with the bullets "set back" that far is not a good idea. Depending on the round in question, the specific load, and the firearm in use...the results can vary from catastrophic (lost fingers) to minor (dirty underwear).
 
Has this happened before?

Is the tubular magazine spring too stiff?

Was the rifle against your shoulder when you shot or in something unyielding like a leadsled?

It's certainly not a common thing for either the Winchester 94 or the Marlin 336 to push bullets further into the case like that.
 
Chris, the bullet being 'pushed back' is called Setback. It's a bad thing. Even if you can pull the bullet back to it's original position, loading back in the tube will only set it back again.

If the bullet gets set back and you shoot it, it is very likely to create much higher chamber pressure than it's supposed to. That's a bad thing.
 
A quarter inch is plenty to get you into trouble. Pressures jump when you do that. I'd get a hold of the manufacturers. That ammo may be of a lot where the crimp hadn't been done or ? In any case they should be interested because they would be liable for any kabooms.
 
You were able to pull them back out? With your bare hands? And they set back being cycled through a Win. 94? That's some pretty scary ammo. Somehow I don't think we're getting the whole story here.
 
Setback by any noticable amout is a problem. This is an ammo problem, not a gun problem. The manufacturer needs to know, and should replace the ammo.

-Sam
 
They're not being set back by being cycled, it's happening due to the effects of recoil on the tubular magazine. Most likely you've got bad ammo. Might want to change out the magazine spring just to be sure.
 
Defective / unsafe ammo.

Call Remington with the Lot # info off the box flap.

They will be interested, and will probably send you some replacement ammo for your trouble.

Consumer Services / Parts & Service
TEL: 1-800-243-9700

Ammunition & Components Plant
2592 Arkansas Hwy 15 N
Lonoke, AR 72086
TEL: 1-501-676-3161

rc
 
THANKS for the info guys, no on the hands part, i used a pair of pliers. I will try and get in touch with remington and see what they have to say. I normally dont load the gun completely . WHEn hunting I only put 3or4 rounds in because here in GA your only allowed 5 any way but I topped it off that day, wonder if that had something to do with it? THANKS AGAIN THANK YOU FOR THOSE NUMBERS
 
Well, I got in touch with remington today, They said souded like they had not gotten crimped right. They told me they would send me a new box no problem, didnt even want the old box of shells back. Seemed strange they wouldnt want them back .
 
They can't sell them, plus the cost of return shipping is probably more than the cost of manufacturing a new box. If you can find someone close to crimp them, you should be able to shoot the rest of them with no trouble. Or I suppose you could shoot them by loading them singly, directly into the chamber.
 
I'm curious about it also. After reading the post I checked my box of Remington. My question is did the bullets have a cannelure? And was the cannalure a quarter inch below the case mouth?
 
Bullet with cannalure:
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No cannalure:
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It's a groove thang.:p
 
I would have guessed that but oh well, YES to #1 ON#2 I could see just the top of the grooves,just like on the FEDERAL powershock I bought yesterday.That is be fore they were pushed down, afterwards only about 1/4 was still visible, I could not grip it with my fingers
 
was the cannalure a quarter inch below the case mouth?
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ON#2 I could see just the top of the grooves
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if you think the bullet set back, but you can still see the cannelure, then i don't think it set back. if you can see a cannelure and you can't push the bullet any further into the case using just your thumb, the ammo is ok.
 
I mean the bullet was pushed down far enough I could not see the grooves.The new ones I can see the top of the grooves sorry for the confussion
 
When the OP mentioned the 1/4" I had used the Hornady case gage with their .30 30 calibration case checking my 94. I tested Nosler, Sierra, and Hornady RN's and found that every bullet was about 1/4" short of the cannalure. I checked each bullet about 4 times. I had a box of Winchester and Remington factory rounds and checked them against the the bullets I going to reload. they were also about 1/4" back from the lands/groves.
I think it's the nature of the beast.
(I use the same gage/cases to check my .308 and 7.62x79 rifles and they always give a pretty accurate reading. I also have 500+ .30 30 mixed cases and found there was not that much difference in case OAL).
I took some pictures of the bullets that show the difference and will post them on photobucket later on today.
 
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