Bullpup as home defense rifle?

[Gun-Reck]

100%.

The “shoot vs. non-shoot option” mentioned above is Hollywood movie non-sense, super cringe…

What is the statistic for bludgeoning as self-defense?

Your inability does not reflect that of others, and for some, shooting is a last option.

Hollywood rarely shows the shooter going to prison, or losing everything in a civil suit.

 

[Varminterror]

Your inability does not reflect that of others, and for some, shooting is a last option.

This is absolute silliness… You’ve made a few claims like this lately and I’ve been wondering if you’re not just trolling, because stuff like this is just completely upside down…

“Shooting someone is a last option” and implication that buttstroking someone with the rifle is preferred instead is the worst home or personal defense advice anyone could be offering.

In particular, my “inability” to manage hand to hand conflict is unquestionably less than that of most - and since you’re making these ridiculous claims, I’ll bet heavily I’d handle your business without breaking a sweat. 30yrs of regular hand to hand combatives training does that to a person - and I’m not talking about a once per year vacation to combat camp. With certainty, swinging a rifle at me coming through your door would not be the right option, and I would not give you a chance to use it to shoot me after trying to swing it.

If you’re holding a ranged weapon with an assailant at distance, it is absolute idiocy to give up the advantage - the safety - you have by giving up distance.

 

[arsterling180]

This is absolute silliness… You’ve made a few claims like this lately and I’ve been wondering if you’re not just trolling, because stuff like this is just completely upside down…

“Shooting someone is a last option” and implication that buttstroking someone with the rifle instead is the worst home or personal defense advice anyone could be offering.

In particular, my “inability” to manage hand to hand conflict is unquestionably less than that of most - and since you’re making these ridiculous claims, I’ll bet heavily I’d handle your business without breaking a sweat. 30yrs of regular hand to hand combatives training does that to a person - and I’m not talking about a once per year vacation to combat camp. With certainty, swinging a rifle at me coming through your door would not be the right option, and I would not give you a chance to use it to shoot me after trying to swing it.

If you’re holding a ranged weapon with an assailant at distance, it is absolute idiocy to give up the advantage - the safety - you have by giving up distance.

And it’s not like a Democrat DA wouldn’t send you to prison for beating them with a bat, or you still losing a civil suit.


Like the fuddlore with reloads and self defense I want to see these civil suit and felony prison time result statistics.

 

[Gun-Reck]

This is absolute silliness… You’ve made a few claims like this lately and I’ve been wondering if you’re not just trolling, because stuff like this is just completely upside down…

“Shooting someone is a last option” and implication that buttstroking someone with the rifle is preferred instead is the worst home or personal defense advice anyone could be offering.

In particular, my “inability” to manage hand to hand conflict is unquestionably less than that of most - and since you’re making these ridiculous claims, I’ll bet heavily I’d handle your business without breaking a sweat. 30yrs of regular hand to hand combatives training does that to a person - and I’m not talking about a once per year vacation to combat camp. With certainty, swinging a rifle at me coming through your door would not be the right option, and I would not give you a chance to use it to shoot me after trying to swing it.

If you’re holding a ranged weapon with an assailant at distance, it is absolute idiocy to give up the advantage - the safety - you have by giving up distance.

Your choice, as is the Jury Roulette.

Train rifle drill 3/week with a 35 lb. Olympic bar - what I can do with an 8 lb. rifle is truly frightening.

You assume that you control the situation, and that everything will line up with your fantasy, including the Jury at your trial.

Derek Chauvin?

Good for you.

Options are good, especially non-lethal ones.

And the rifle/shotgun still has a working trigger, just the same.

 

[halfmoonclip]

My Gen I Ruger PCC is stout enough to knock someone on their tookas with a buttstroke (and, in fact, has a bolt device that keeps the bolt closed). Most modern carbines aren't of much use for that, and I even wondered about our sergeants showing us a buttstroke with an M16A1. An M14 is just the ticket for such shenanigans; our plastic and alloy guns, not so much.
Again, if the bad news is actually inside your home, you're as close to being on the side of the angels as is possible for a justified shooting. No need to be noble, and give a sucker an even break.
Moon

 

[Necessary_Nutrient]

Remember this guy? Had the trigger of a caulk gun on a cold day and an awful high mount rail but was reliable in my limited experience. Would not have been my first choice for home defense, seems to be a bit of a collectors item now.

 

[d2wing]

My Gen I Ruger PCC is stout enough to knock someone on their tookas with a buttstroke (and, in fact, has a bolt device that keeps the bolt closed). Most modern carbines aren't of much use for that, and I even wondered about our sergeants showing us a buttstroke with an M16A1. An M14 is just the ticket for such shenanigans; our plastic and alloy guns, not so much.
Again, if the bad news is actually inside your home, you're as close to being on the side of the angels as is possible for a justified shooting. No need to be noble, and give a sucker an even break.
Moon

I still recall the martial training I had with an M-14, especially the Butt stroke.. No doubt an M-14 is the best choice for a rifle for martial use. But no martial weapon is much use against an assailant with a firearm. In any case I would not choose a bullpup because it does not point naturally. It takes more training to be able to use one effectively. I am trained and experienced in more conventional weapons so it would be against my trained responses to use a bullpup.

 

[InTheSwamp]

Always wanted the Aug, but it's easier to build an AR. And practice with it.

 

[Nuclear]

If I were buying a home defense rifle today, I’d absolutely buy a bull pup. They are more maneuverable than a regular rifle, they can be easily held and fired one handed, and are quieter than an SBR. You will still need a silencer or really good electronic hearing protection, because rifles are loud, especially indoors. Who cares if the triggers aren’t as good, you aren’t using it for long range target competition. Their only downside as a home defense rifle is the price.

 

[md7]

Yes, a bullpup would do just fine as a HD weapon. Of the two, I’d get the Tavor just because I’ve handled them and haven’t handled a hellion.

And I’d put a metric ton of rounds through it to get used to the manual of arms after shooting ARs for so long. In my own case.

 

[Old Hobo]

Passing observation: Can't say I like having a receiver and ejection port right next to my face.

I've seen receivers explode.

 

[shoobe01]

I have shot both, own the X95. Have also shot AUG a fair bit, have one of the new 308 M17s (spectacular trigger on those).

No qualms about the X95. Look at some of the Manticore bits to add on. I love the rounded, longer handguard for example, makes it easy to add a WML. I'd consider it absolutely a viable gun for all social work where a 5.56 will do the trick. Runs great suppressed also, as a well-built AR does: without fussing with gas settings, just works.

I did not love the VHS2 (Hellion). Long LOP that gets longer for some reason. Wide and things stick out. Weird to bad trigger. Springfield effed up the pistol grip for no clear reason, gotta replace that to make it remotely normal (MOE helps a lot) and still safety is sub-optimal.

Remember bullpup: A very short gun has a long barrel. 16" is pretty long, and even without suppressor is not unreasonably blasty or loud for a rifle.

Sight heights have been climbing for a bit for various reasons; my Tavor is not set up much higher than my ARs. Just know your mechanical offsets, practice with it (I run a clone of my 5.56 carbine at IDPA every month to stay close-range offset practiced among other things — they make a 9 mm Tavor also so...) and pick a good zero distance (I am an MPBR guy).


Bullpup gun designers have to deal with this fear of guns exploding; they are therefore the safest things out there. Extra reinforced bits and stuff, the K&M guy did a ruptured case test and the receiver didn't even bulge much less explode, so no more of that.

 

[wally]

Every Bullpup I have handled has had a mushy trigger feel.

Of the two people I know who have actually fired a shot at a home intruder, both report never hearing the gun go off. One was a 4" .357 Mag, the other a 5.56 AR 15. Somehow in this stressful situation I doubt the "mushy trigger" will be noticed either.

Both intruders fled, home owners unscathed, making the defenses successful. Only the AR15 shot hit but the intruder died from his wounds suffered from exiting through the sliding glass door that he'd closed behind him after running a couple of blocks. The .357 intruder was never identified or captured.