Bullpup help FN2000 or STG-556

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I am going to buy a bullpup with my bonus this year. What do you guys think is a better gun the Microtech or the FN2000. I am interested in learning which has a better trigger, balance and accuracy. I am currently leaning towards the Microtech.

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if you're a connoisseur of triggers, i'd strongly suggest pulling both of them a few times before making a decision, at which point, you'll probably be rephrasing that to "which trigger sucks the least?"

fn2000 uses AR15 mags and is in stock everywhere. however, if an evil-looking semi-auto, military style rifle that takes "hi-cap" mags is still on shelves everywhere after 2 months of obama-frenzy... that's probably what the police would call "a clue".

if you're just looking to collect cool guns though, both are pretty nifty
 
As Taliv suggested the FN2000 uses readily available ar15 mags at low prices, the STG's mags are much more expensive, so based purely just off that I would choose the FN2000.
 
...and the FN2000 is ambidextrous, as it ejects the empties out a chute to the front of the rifle. The STG is not.

Both triggers are sort of mushy.

I remember reading on the 'net years ago about the original Steyr AUG in use with the Australian army that supposedly the trigger packs would melt under extended firing. That little factlet alone made me reluctant to get one, back when you COULD get one.
 
Trigger pack issue

I would assume that that would only happen under extended full auto. I am right handed so I am not so worried about a gun that is ambidextrous. The reason I am leaning towards the Microtech is that it looks more comfortable. I haven't seen either of them in the local shops but I have held a Steyr Aug and thought is was a great fitting rifle. I like the length of the bullpups, but to date the only one I've owned was the Bushmaster M17 and that had a HORRIBLE trigger (although fun to shoot). I need to find more data online regarding the accuracy of the STG-556 before I make up my mind, and to be honest it will be months before I can buy either.
 
I remember reading on the 'net years ago about the original Steyr AUG in use with the Australian army that supposedly the trigger packs would melt under extended firing. That little factlet alone made me reluctant to get one, back when you COULD get one.
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that is true.
the trigger packs can melt, they start melting at around the same time you get a near 100% cook off ratio of the rounds you feed in to the gun.
was/is the same with the XM8 and the G36, they could indeed melt, but that only is of concern if you go past the point where rounds start cooking off in the Chamber at a near 100% ratio.

on topic: i would go with the FN2000, the one i handled feelt mutch better then the AUG played around with.

now i dont know how mutch diffrent the STG556 is from the 'real deal', but if it is the same. FN2000 hands down.
 
Both triggers suck but let's be honest, you don't buy rifles like these for the fine glass rod breaking trigger pull.

I'd get the FN simply because of the AR magazine availability.

If that's not a concern then the STG556 to me is a cooler rifle.

And "cool" factor is what these guns are about so that plays into the decision for sure.
 
now i dont know how mutch diffrent the STG556 is from the 'real deal'
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I haven't put a lot of rounds through AUG/USRs or any through the STG556 but I've fondled them daily in gunstores for years ;) which makes me an expert, of course

fwiw, I like the microtech version a bit better than Steyr. Just seems more well-made. Of course, it's 15 years newer, so that might have had something to do with my impressions...

texas, the problem with those triggers for me isn't the lack of glass-rod breaking, it's the "go grab a cup of coffee while the trigger resets" split times :(
 
i am guessing the STG556 does not have that horrible two stage trigger system?

pull a little and you fire one round, pull a bit harder and start to rock and roll?

on the paper that sounds like such a nice system.. but once you try it, it is probably the worst thing ever to be put on a firearm.
 
yeah that was a brilliant design feature for a military weapon not:uhoh:

did'nt rate the sights on the AUG got to play with the Falklands islands defences forces ones. (forign office gave them cash to buy new rifles but forgot to tell them to buy SA80:D)
 
Well either one would probably be just fine for your purposes but both triggers are going to suck. Accuracy of either is not going to be exceptional, I would expect both to be 4-5 MOA based on reviews that I have read. Between the two I would go with the MSAR or even the TDP AXR.

http://www.tpdusa.com/gallery.php

Honestly, despite all the hate the Bushmaster M17s would probably out perform both of the others on the trigger and accuracy. I bought one several years ago for $700 and worked on the trigger to make it an honest 6-7 pounds with a fair crispness kinda like a Glock trigger. Accuracy is quite good as I have gotten <2 MOA easily with cheap ammo. As far as the ergonomic issues it has, most of them can be overcome with a little creative gunsmithing like the work by KKF...

FloydM17-1.gif

http://www.kurtskustomfirearms.citymax.com/page/page/8935.htm
 
I would go with the FS2k, as it takes AR mags and i like the way they feel better. It is a bit bulky with all that polymer on it though....
 
Domino, a KKF-worked M17 is indeed a pretty nice rifle, and quite a bit cheaper than the other two (even though they're not made any more and the prices are rising), but it's a little hazardous to work on the the trigger - that specific trigger setup is prone to slam-firing without the factory angle and depth of the sear. There's a fine line between decent trigger and full auto, with the disconnector geometry on that one. Best just to grease the factory one (or a very *careful* polish), and call it good enough for a bullpup. Sounds like that's what you did. One thing I don't like about them (other than the general downsides to bullpups) is that the lower receiver gets very very thin at that one point just behind the handle. I'd be afraid that with thousands of rounds, a crack there would very quickly become a two-piece gun.
 
fn2000 uses AR15 mags and is in stock everywhere. however, if an evil-looking semi-auto, military style rifle that takes "hi-cap" mags is still on shelves everywhere after 2 months of obama-frenzy... that's probably what the police would call "a clue".
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Could it because what I gather from THR is something called AR15 cult, almost? Certainly the AR has a lot more fans and followers than any bullpup type. Also, what I see is that FN bullpup is more expensive than similarly equipped AR15.

otherwise I'm pretty sure FN knows how to make firearms, as can be said about many makers. I'm voting whichever you feel more comfortable with - that is, try to grab one and take a few steps and stances.
 
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The whole proprietary mag "issue" with the STG will not be an issue. Microtech is releasing the "E4" which will use AR15 mags.

MSAR will also be offering their own polymer AR15 mags.

To me the FS2000 is a neat weapon, but it's a bit bulky for my taste.

I really like the TPD, but Kent has not pumped out the volume of rifles compared to MSAR. He is playing catch up. I really wanted the AXR, but I don't want to have to wait for XX amount of time.
 
Another new kid on the block

Another new kid on the block:

http://www.pjs-steyraug.com/USAUG.html

Like the original poster, I want a Bullpup. My choices include the PS 90, the FS2000, the TPD made rifle and now the new AUG A3 made by Sabre Defense for Steyr.

I would like to see additional discussion on these rifles.

As to trigger, the "Trigger Tamer" seems to get good reviews for the Aug style guns. Do any of you have any experience with this add on?

My desire for a Bullpup is based on my ranching duties which require a short, portable rifle that I can easily lay in the seat of my truck or carry on or in my four wheeler. Given that the Bullpups can be as much as a foot shorter than M4 style guns (with a 16 inch plus barrel), this is for me a real advantage. Two or three MOA is acceptable for my purpose.

Your thoughts?
P7rancher:):)
 
im a bit of a bullpup junkie. with a few rare acceptions i think i own about one of every model.

they are VERY different guns imo. while they are competing rifles and shoot the same round, the fit, form, and feel of the guns are so drasticly different that they are very hard to compare. if i HAD to pick one, id probably get the MSAR.

Bullpup triggers arent the best triggers in the world, even the best of the bullpups. the design just makes it tough. proper lubrication and even some polishing can make a difference on some models. its easily over looked by the how fun these guns are to fire. peroid. the triggers are consistant and easy to use if you have the skill and ablilty to adapt just a tad.

Bear in mind now, I have heard of the polymer on the FS2k cracking.
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there were a few reported cases, none of which could be clearly tied back to gun malfunction. you can break anything...
 
I picked up an stg.556 last week and I couldn't be happier with it. It doesn't use AR mags but I can live with paying a little extra for the proprietary ones. The FS2000 is certainly a cool looking rifle and I'd love to have one, however given the choice between one or the other I would stick with the Microtech hands down.

Here's mine....
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I have a FS2000 and love it. A $2000 rife should be good. I'm partial to Browning and FNH though and have not shot the other. All plastic trigers are a little clunky, so not made for good bench accuracy. Bull pups a good truck or side x side atv guns.
 
Just ordered a FN2000.

After months of looking I finally found a shop where I could handle both side by side and play with them to my hearts content. No I did not get to shoot them.

After looking at and handling both the FN2000 and the STG-556, for me, the FN2000 was a much better fit. The trigger on the FN2000 was better with a much cleaner break and smoother pull, the mag changes were awkward to say the least with the STG-556.

Must have been the balance, but the FN2000 felt much lighter. I thought I wanted a vertical fore-grip, but the FN2000 just felt right and was so quick to point.

Good shooting:):)

P7rancher
 
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