Bullseye give you better deal?

[gonoles_1980]

I am on my 3rd pound of Bullseye, I've used roughly 15465 grains of Bullseye. Assuming 7000 gr to a lb, that means I should have 5,535 grains remaining.

However when I weigh the container (I use an empty container to zero), I get 529 grams or 8164 grains, or 2629 grains more than I expected, an average of 876 grains per lb extra.

I weighted all my other powders in the same way, and they come within expected error margins.

I have an unopened container of Bullseye, it weighted 507 grams or 7824 grains. It appears that Bulleye gives you on avg 863 grains extra per container.

I am not seeing a delta like that in Unique, BE-86, AA#5, Pistol Powder or Titegroup.

That's an extra 200 bullets on average per container. Anyone else see something like this?

 

[Jmoreno88]

Can't say that I've ever cared to actually check but since i only use bullseye in pistol then it's nice to know

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[mstreddy]

Did you tare the weight of the container itself?

 

[reddog81]

How did you figure the round count of 15465? Is that an exact figure? If so what kind of loads are you shooting? it's possible your loads could be a smidgen light.

I'm assuming you keep meticulous records if you know this doesn't happen with other powers. You are probably even more OCD than 99% of reloaders. And no that is not meant to be offensive...

 

[thomas15]

Check your scale. If the scale is correct, check your scale operating skills. Alliant isn't putting any more than 7000 grains of Bullseye into a 1 pound container.

 

[Rule3]

I am not seeing a delta like that in Unique, BE-86, AA#5, Pistol Powder or Titegroup.

Can't say I ever checked the exact amount of grains in a container.

If your are gonna go all delta on us then I just can't compute

 

[gonoles_1980]

Answers:
- I zero'd the scale based on an empty Bullseye container, it weight 6.6 grams.

- Yes the 15465 is an exact count, I have pivot tables I use in my spreadsheet to count the types of bullet by powder used and bullet used and caliber used. I have pivot tables to tell me exactly how much powder I have used in grains based on the loads I make and give me estimates of how many bullets I can still make so I know when to order more.

- Yes I am more OCD than a lot of reloaders, all my 9mm are separated by headstamp, they are for my wife, each box she shoots has the same headstamp. I can tell you what brass I am loading primers into by the feel on my hand primer.

- I use Bullseye 3.4 grains in my 38spl lead loads (6800) and 4.5 grains in my 357 lead loads (8665).

- If the gram scale (it's a weight watchers digital scale) was off, I would expect it to be off for all types of powder when I weight it.

Additional comments:
I was concerned because the math didn't match 3lbs of Bullseye in grains So I double checked everything. I will check the next lb of Bullseye to see if I get the delta.

It is very possible I just got some "odd" batches of Bullseye. I must go buy another lb just to see .

 

[Salmoneye]

- I zero'd the scale based on an empty Bullseye container, it weight 6.6 grams.

Then your other containers varied in weight...

 

[gonoles_1980]

They would have to vary a lot, 6.6 grams is only 101 grains. But I will weight the current bottle when empty.

What made me check was the numbers in the pivot table weren't adding up to what I expected.

So I have to tell my wife, I need to buy another container of Bullseye to double check the numbers

 

[au_prospector]

You are extrapolating data with too much confidence. In other words you are weighing each charge and then recording the amount of powder used. If your scale is off by say only 0.12 grains per charge think about it.

Lets say you are loading .38 spl 158 grain lead with 3.5 grains of bullseye. That is 2000 rounds per 1 pound bottle, right? Let us say your scale is within tolerance, but off by .12 grain, lets say it is weighing light. .12 times 2000 is what 240 grains? Times 2.5 pounds? That is 600 grains. You take a small error and multiply it by thousands of rounds and there is the difference. It is highly improbable that Alliant Powder would be off on the bottle weights by more than 10% as you suggest.

 

[zxcvbob]

I believe Bullseye has more energy per gram than any other power (except Power Pistol, which is just a slower version of Bullseye) So it would stand to reason that at the same price per pound, Bullseye is a better deal if it will work.

I also think you're getting screwed up by tare weight.

 

[orionengnr]

So I have to tell my wife, I need to buy another container of Bullseye to double check the numbers

Or, tell her "Honey, we are getting 200 rounds for free with every pound...so I bought a ton! They are practically paying us to shoot!"
Same type of logic they use to "save money".

Now, get back to the reloading bench.

 

[gonoles_1980]

LOL. You are so right, I bought two sets of shoes and saved us $30. It's a hard sell since I just got 2lbs of BE-86 and 4lbs of HP-38 and 5000 WLP primers.

 

[Walkalong]

I quit worrying about "reloads per pound" a long time ago.

 

[H&R Glock]

Been cheated with 8 lb. kegs!
I load and shoot 50 bmg. I Have 8 pound canisters of WC867 surplus powder. To be on the safe side, I take my scales, funnel, and empty Unique 1 pound canister outdoors and transfer exactly one pound from the keg to the re-labeled Unique canister.
The eighth pound has measured 1/2 pound or less now on two different canisters.
Cheated again on the $7/pound powder!

 

[cfullgraf]

I quit worrying about "reloads per pound" a long time ago.

Yup.

 

[gonoles_1980]

I was only concerned because the numbers were off by quite a bit .3lbs over 3lbs. So I was looking into why. I weighed all the other containers to make sure I wasn't off that much to make sure I didn't somehow mix powders (which I don't see how since I only ever have one container on my loading table at a time).

Normally I wouldn't care, only for inventory knowing when I have to order more.

 

[Rule3]

Normally I wouldn't care, only for inventory knowing when I have to order more.

Inventory??

Order NOW!

 

[Ole Joe Clark]

The way I tell when it's time to buy more Bullseye is when there is not much left in the container. This method also works for Unique, I'm not sure about other powders.

 

[rsrocket1]

Why aren't you buying Bullseye in an 8 pound jug? Your economy would be far better. You would also bet the best economy by using the fastet possible powder to get you your required speed while staying below max pressure.

Slow powders are used to get maximum velocity while keeping the pressures below the max limit. They typically do this at the expense of large charges and less efficient burning.

 

[alexcue]

I quit worrying about "reloads per pound" a long time ago.

Pretty much my rule of thumb, and if it's a powder I'm liking and using consistently, then I buy a 8lb jug. When it gets low... then I order more. I usually transfer it to a saved 1lb canister of the same powder, but with the lot number written on the bottle. Less chance of me screwing up powders.

Anyway, I agree, you aren't getting that much free EVERY time out of Bullseye. But in the off chance you have, play the lotto!

 

[Walkalong]

When it gets low... then I order more. I usually transfer it to a saved 1lb canister of the same powder, but with the lot number written on the bottle. Less chance of me screwing up powders.

Same here.

 

[gonoles_1980]

Man, I'm taking a beating bigger than my college football team took last weekend.

LOL (all good fun).

 

[ArchAngelCD]

Yeah, I also stopped counting rounds per pound a long time ago too. I also buy my most used powders in 4lb or 8lb jugs and fill a 1lb bottle of the same powder as needed. I'm so glad I saved an older bottle of W231 and W296 to fill. You know, the ones that are not round and have a handle.

 

[8ring]

The extra weight is the dirt Alliant blends in with it.