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Buying a gun in NYC

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45R

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Friend of mine asked me what the rule and regs for buying a gun in NYC were today. I didnt have the answer for him.

Some help from my brothers and sisters in NYC would be helpful!! Thanks a bunch!


45R
 
I got my guns in NYC a few years (8 or 9 I guess) ago (I now live in NJ). I'll tell you what I know and what I've heard.

I'm talking about handguns here, never had a rifle in NYC so I can't comment on that.

When I applied for my target license it took nine months to process. You had to go to lower manhattan (1 police plaza) and file the form in person, they fingerprint you, you supply pictures, and then you wait. Don't call them to ask how it's going, if you do (I'm told) they pull your form out of the pile and put it on top again. When your license is approved you have to pick it up in person. Once you have the target license you can buy one gun, you have to do so with 60 or 90 days, otherwise they pull the license. If you want to buy another gun you have to apply for a purchase authorization, that takes a couple months to process, and again you have 60 or 90 days to make your purchase. If I recall correctly you have to tell them exactly what kind of gun you want (you may even have to provide the serial number, meaning you have to pick it out in advance) and what you want it for. You also had to belong to a gun club if you had a target license. Once you purchase your gun you have 72 hours to bring it back to 1 police plaza for "inspection", with your bill of sale (which they keep, make a copy of it). They record the serial number on your license. A target license allows you to transport the gun from home to the range, in a locked box, ammo seperate. They acted like they were being nice to you, you could go shooting whenever you wanted. Again, if I recall correctly you legally couldn't have the gun loaded at home.

If you get a premise (as opposed to target) license you can again only transport the gun from home to the range, locked up, etc, and you could only do that twice a month on pre-arranged dates. You select two dates (say the tenth and eighteenth of the month) and those are the only two dates you're allowed to take the gun out for practice each month, if you want to change the date you have to do it in writing, and you give up one of the original dates.

If you get a carry license you must know someone.

You renew your license every two years on your birthday (for a couple hundred dollars each time), if you let it expire NYPD WILL be at your home to pick up your guns.

That's it in a nutshell, and again this is a few years old. I've heard that target licenses have been phased out in favor of a "target premise" license, where again you can only take the gun out twice a month. I'm sure the length of time for the license has gotten longer since then. Oh yes, when you go to apply or to pick up your license the folks there try to get you mad, if they succeed you're rejected.

You're going to make at least three trips to 1 Police Plaza, one to apply, one to pick up the license, one to bring your gun for inspection. Maybe another trip to pick up the application (although most gun shops keep a few on hand). Payment had to be made with postal money orders (no bank MO's, personal checks, cash, or anything else).

If there are any specifics I missed feel free to ask, but I think I got everything I can remember. Basically, they make it such a hassle and so expensive that most folks won't even bother, thereby keeping NYC safe :fire:
 
I was once reliably informed that a "donation" to the Police Widows and Orphans Fund (care of the officer at 1 Police Plaza) would ease the process considerably. A grand was adequate; 5 or 10 grand would really grease the wheels. Or political influence. Or both.

Jim
 
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I also got a target permit in the early 90's and joined a 24 hour range (so you could always be coming or going to the range if you so desired.)

Similar to the experience noted above.

My understanding is that you can no longer do that . . . .no more targter permits. Premise only.
 
And people put up with that crap. If you tolerate that garbage then you deserve it. Flame away but that is how I see it.



edited because i cant spell
 
To paraphrase Standingwolf

I guess I will allways miss the smell of days old urine on the subway platforms,getting stabbed and held up in the same month.
I guess I will allways miss the corruption,the smell of rotten garbage on hot August nights and the 3 card monty con artist.

Tell your friend to move to San Francisco it's a bastion of common sense compared to NYC.

It's not an instant felony if you carry concealed.
:rolleyes:

I was born in Manhattan,my family can trace it's roots there all the way to the American Revolution and to New England Pilgrims on my moms side and it boils my blood that it's such a socialist dictatorship there.

What I want to say can't be said on The High Road.org.
 
And people put up with that crap. If you tolerate that garbage then you deserve it. Flame away but that is how I see it.
Not that it matters but I strongly second that opinion.
 
What was mentioned about the hoops that one has to jump through is pretty much spot-on.
NYC... still love it. Still hate it.
Been born there and moved out when I was twenty-eight. All those anti-gun horrors, just a memory in My mind.
Gotta love Florida. Nothing like that down here. :D
 
Yeah! JimJD

Sometimes you can hear more NewYork accents in Palm Beach County then Manhattan.

BTW my brother,ex NYPD told me that they stopped with the target license because people were carrying concealed and claiming to be on the way to the range.

And the thread about the red tape? it's even worse now.
Navy Vet Ron Dixon has a criminal record because he bought a gun legally in FL and used it in his own home in NYC to protect his children when some crook broke into his house and ran into his kids room:fire:

The gains we made during the Revolutionary war are long gone in NY...

NEW YORK CONVENTION
(July 26,1788)
That the people have the right to keep and bear arms; that a well regulated millitia, including the body of people capable of bearing arms ,is the proper,natural, and safe defence of a free state
 
leave nyc if you want to buy a gun

ny the peoples rebublic in not gun friendly i lefy in 1981 never missed the state.

move to the west

if you must buy a gun in nyc be sure you are

1.a millionaire

2.an actress or actor

3.a foreign diplomat

4.jo jovinos in manhattan only place i know of to buy a gun
 
And people put up with that crap. If you tolerate that garbage then you deserve it. Flame away but that is how I see it.

Lucky someone puts up with it or you wouldn't have any retirement money, and your taxes would be a lot higher and your roads/schools a lot worse.

Not sure what the numbers are but my guess is that city is responsible for a disproportionate percentage of the wealth in this country, as are the other big cities . . . . which then gets redistributed to the middle of nowhere, USA.

So try to go easy on the insults as you enjoy the fruits of their labor.

As to how to change it? Not sure it can be done short of some culture changing catostrophic event.
 
Lucky someone puts up with it or you wouldn't have any retirement money, and your taxes would be a lot higher and your roads/schools a lot worse.

Not sure what the numbers are but my guess is that city is responsible for a disproportionate percentage of the wealth in this country, as are the other big cities . . . . which then gets redistributed to the middle of nowhere, USA.

So try to go easy on the insults as you enjoy the fruits of their labor.

As to how to change it? Not sure it can be done short of some culture changing catostrophic event.

I would seriously disagree there. The majority of the money in this country is held between the east and west coast. Just because Wall Street is there does not mean that the money is generated there. I don't want to get into where money is made in this country here but the only real thing that happens in NY is legal money laundering, banking and trading of other peoples property.

Even if what you say is true, does that make it right? I would think not. Maybe 50 years ago when there was no Internet and things could not be done any where else but especially not now.
 
Lucky someone puts up with it or you wouldn't have any retirement money, and your taxes would be a lot higher and your roads/schools a lot worse.
Not sure what the numbers are but my guess is that city is responsible for a disproportionate percentage of the wealth in this country, as are the other big cities . . . . which then gets redistributed to the middle of nowhere, USA.

:scrutiny:

So try to go easy on the insults as you enjoy the fruits of their labor.

I'm NYC born and raised. I for one, did'nt take what was said as an insult.
Even though I miss that great city... I'm kind of happy I left. At least I can always visit from time to time.
As far as firearm ownership goes, It's not going to get any better. It's only going to get worse. I don't like taking a fatalist attitude, but that's how it is over there. The anti's that vote have gotten "their way", the pro-gun crowd is a minority with very few votes, and the sheeple don't even know when election day is half the time.
I had enough and got out of dodge when the option presented itself.


As to how to change it? Not sure it can be done short of some culture changing catostrophic event.

Ehhhh.... to a small degree that happened with 9/11 . Instead, Chuckie Schumer saw it as an opportunity to try to strengthen anti-gun legislation.
He Cited "possible" terrorist use of firearms .... :rolleyes:
 
Wow, those NYC regulations make Illinois sound like we're privileged!:rolleyes:

With law abiding citizens pretty much disarmed in public and private; I can see why crime is so high in NYC. Of course, I'm sure the rich and the politicians don't have those problems. They have bodyguards who can protect them.
 
A few points..

Like it or not, the vast maority of NYC residnets dont care about guns or the hoops they ahve to jump through to get one...

As filthy lefty as NYC is, its where the money is made that benefits us all. Just like ya aint got no entetainemtn world without filthy lefty California...deal with it folks..

WildigotoutAlaska
 
As I said above, I lived in NYC most of my life, I was born there moved to NJ about six years ago. I lived in Staten Island, one of the more conservative parts of the City, but still NYC. I know what I'm talking about here.

When I first got my license I didn't know things were any different anywhere else. I thought this was just the normal hoops anyone had to jump thru get get a handgun anywhere in the country. I took it for granted that only people who owned businesses that did a lot of cash could carry a gun, and only while taking the cash to the bank. I was naive, sure.

Most people in NYC believe the media baloney that if there were no guns there would be no gun crime. It seems to me that every major newspaper in NYC supported the Brady Bill, the AWB ban, etc. One NYC congressman (Rangel, I think he's still in office) periodically sponsors a bill to repeal the Second Amendment. When Jim Brady came to NYC to suck up to David Dinkins over the Brady Bill I went to City Hall as part of a planned counter protest. There were three of us there. Three. Some counter-protest.

Most people believe the wall of paperwork to get a pistol makes "the streets safer" by "keeping guns off the streets". They're totally ignorant about guns, they truly believe that if you leave a loaded gun in your nightstand drawer it might "go off by itself" and shoot you in your sleep. They truly don't know the difference between semi-auto and full-auto, they believe the AK-47 is somehow more deadly than other guns, they believe Chuck Shumer when he says "assault weapons" "Never miss!!!".

They also seem to believe that deer are endangered, that if hunters stop killing deer the deer will practice family planning to keep the population from getting out of hand, because of course the deer have no other predators because the nasty wolves had to go because they chewed up Fido. Besides, deer are pretty, and since there are no deer in NYC they don't have to worry about getting their gardens destroyed by them.

The problem isn't that people need to leave NYC, they need to realize that (a) the laws aren't doing what they're supposed to do (reduce crime) and (b) more laws are going to continue to not do it. Unfortunately, with most NYC residents sending their kids to NYC public schools and getting all their information from the NYC newspapers, it ain't likely.

Sure, NJ is far from perfect, but it's where I live now. I wouldn't go back to NYC for all the tea in China (although I still work there). It's close to my wife's family, for one thing. Although a couple weeks ago my wife was talking about moving the Arizona......

OK, I'll kick my soap box back under my desk.....
 
Jeeeeeeez Louise!!!

I thought we had it bad here in Kaliforniastan...damn.

:what:

Sawdust
 
Once again I thank God for my decision to leave the city where I grew up, Buffalo, NY (where you get to pay the taxes to support the NYC welfare rolls, but get none of the benefits of living in NYC), and high-tailing it to the warm climate and greatly increased freedom of Raleigh, North Carolina. Here I am free to have as many loaded handguns on my nightstand as I desire, and, while I wait for my CCW class to come around, carry my Makarov openly when I walk my dogs near the woods by my apartment at night.
 
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