C&R application question (Illinois resident)

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I am going through the C&R application and came across the section on hunters licenses and permits. I don't have either but I do have a FOID card because Illinois says I need one. is it appropriate and/or applicable to put in this section?
 
Are you a resident alien?

Those are subparts under question 10 and probably don't apply to you, assuming I recall correctly.
 
My bad, missed the part about it being in the non immigrant alien section. does not apply to me then. eyes kinda flowed to the part about any state issued licenses. thanks for pointing that out.
 
From the sound of it I have made a good choice. placed in the mail this morning. Can't wait for it return!

I was very taken aback as to how simple the form was once I read it through again.
 
This question just popped into my head as I was looking over the various online stores that offer C&R eligible firearms.
When I finally obtain the C&R or FFL03, if I were to buy an eligible firearm from an local gun shop would I still be bound by Illinois waiting periods(24hr for long gun, 48hr for handgun) in state and out of state(primarily Missouri)?
 
should have told the wife what I was doing because she made a valid point. is there anyway to add her to the list after it has been sent? Just in case she wants to surprise me or i want her to ship me something. also, would it be considered a partnership or still an individual? cost still be 30$ or is that per individual on the license.

thanks.
 
I know SOG will let someone buy a gun for you as long as its not a every day purchase or they are buying 10 of something. You will have to call them give them the persons name and they will only ship to the address on your C&R.
 
Don't forget some vendors like Midway, Brownell's, Graf's, Cope's and others will put you in for dealer pricing if you have a C&R. I've saved more than the cost of the license in my first three or four purchases from Midway.
 
Your wife should get her own C&R. It makes things easier.
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His wife getting a C&R so she can buy him 3 guns over 3 years and then they will have to do a acquisition and disposition when she gives it to him... yes that's much easier than calling a distributor and saying my wife if going to order a gun here is here name ship it to me.

This question just popped into my head as I was looking over the various online stores that offer C&R eligible firearms.
When I finally obtain the C&R or FFL03, if I were to buy an eligible firearm from an local gun shop would I still be bound by Illinois waiting periods(24hr for long gun, 48hr for handgun) in state and out of state(primarily Missouri)?
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You will not have to wait when buying a C&R eligible gun, the dealer will transfer the gun straight to your 03 license.

But be advised there are many dealers who do not know what a C&R license is and many do know what it is and will not accept it. I ran into that several times before I got my 01 FFL.
 
As Crazy-MP said, by the law a regular type -1 gun shop can do a transfer to you on just your C/R if the weapon is eligible. This being said, MANY gun dealers WILL NOT sell you a weapon on that C/R and instead will require a regular type-1 transefer for an eligible weapon~including the waiting period (IL) and NCIS, forms, ect. If you like the price and want the gun, you can sigh and say 'OK' and go through the hastle. It does become something of a pride issue on both sides, so my best advice is to try and not take it personally. If the other party is nasty, you can always shop elsewhere.
 
I figured gun shops would know about them, and be easier on the paperwork. It's unfortunate many don't keep themselves educated about the different licenses. anyway, if they don't accept it then I'm fine with it as long as its not a long drive to return and retrieve the merchandise. my collection is only beginning so better start saving now. got it for the online discounts for the most part.

would love the FFL01 later on when not so strapped for cash, but i thought an individual could not obtain one unless they are starting a business?
 
would love the FFL01 later on when not so strapped for cash, but i thought an individual could not obtain one unless they are starting a business?
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Unless you plan on marrying into money or winning the lottery you will never have enough money to start a gun store. Easiest way to make a million dollars and own a gun store? Start with two million.

You do have to have a business, but it does not have to be a full time Monday - Saturday 9-6 business, most of the people at gun shows for example are nights and weekend guys who have regular jobs.

There is also no magic number of guns you have to sell every year to maintain your FFL as long as you are doing some business your still in business.
 
I purchase all my guns on line and run them through a home based FFL in the Chicago suburbs. Most of his transactions are straight transfers, that is enough to keep his FFL active. You have to be a business and do it within local zoning laws. You do not need a" commercial" store front to be legal.
 
jungleking said:
This question just popped into my head as I was looking over the various online stores that offer C&R eligible firearms.
When I finally obtain the C&R or FFL03, if I were to buy an eligible firearm from an local gun shop would I still be bound by Illinois waiting periods(24hr for long gun, 48hr for handgun) in state and out of state(primarily Missouri)?
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Outside IL, probably not....you can use it to buy a C&R in any State as it's a Federal license. A dealer in MO or one of the other neighboring states may see things differently, or just refuse to sell to you because you're from Illinois. But inside of Illinois you are still subject to the waiting period, the C&R does not supersede State law.
 
I beg to differ on the purchase within Illinois. I live in Illinois and have been using my C&R to buy from local dealers and and at gun shows in Illinois from day one with no problem and no waiting period and no background check. It is an FFL and that is what is for.
 
I couldn't find anything in the laws that stated the FFL03 holders had to still abide by state laws(concerning the wait time at least). may have been looking in the wrong section as it does get a little hazy.
 
I'm a Missouri resident and have made purchases in Illinois with my C&R FFL. No waiting. Dealer marks his records and I'm out the door.
 
As an Illlinois resident I also buy a lot of guns in Missouri with my C&R, as well as on Gunbroker and other auction sites. Thats what it is for and it works great. I just seem to spend too much sometimes.
 
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I beg to differ on the purchase within Illinois. I live in Illinois and have been using my C&R to buy from local dealers and and at gun shows in Illinois from day one with no problem and no waiting period and no background check. It is an FFL and that is what is for.
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You can beg all you want, but no matter what your experience has been, the law still requires the waiting period. Read the law in question, it's 720 ILCS 5/24-3:
(A) A person commits the offense of unlawful sale or delivery of firearms when he or she knowingly does any of the following:
(g) Delivers any firearm of a size which may be concealed upon the person, incidental to a sale, without withholding delivery of such firearm for at least 72 hours after application for its purchase has been made, or delivers any rifle, shotgun or other long gun, or a stun gun or taser, incidental to a sale, without withholding delivery of such rifle, shotgun or other long gun, or a stun gun or taser for at least 24 hours after application for its purchase has been made. However, this paragraph (g) does not apply to: (1) the sale of a firearm to a law enforcement officer if the seller of the firearm knows that the person to whom he or she is selling the firearm is a law enforcement officer or the sale of a firearm to a person who desires to purchase a firearm for use in promoting the public interest incident to his or her employment as a bank guard, armed truck guard, or other similar employment; (2) a mail order sale of a firearm to a nonresident of Illinois under which the firearm is mailed to a point outside the boundaries of Illinois; (3) the sale of a firearm to a nonresident of Illinois while at a firearm showing or display recognized by the Illinois Department of State Police; or (4) the sale of a firearm to a dealer licensed as a federal firearms dealer under Section 923 of the federal Gun Control Act of 1968 (18 U.S.C. 923). For purposes of this paragraph (g), "application" means when the buyer and seller reach an agreement to purchase a firearm.

Notice there's an exception for licensed dealers, but an 03 FFL does not make you a licensed dealer. Unless there's case law somewhere that says licensed collectors qualify under that exception, your local dealers are breaking the law.
 
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Notice there's an exception for licensed dealers, but an 03 FFL does not make you a licensed dealer. Unless there's case law somewhere that says licensed collectors qualify under that exception, your local dealers are breaking the law.
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direct from the ATF website:

The Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA), Title 18, United States
Code (U.S.C.), section 923(a), provides, in part, that no person shall engage
in the business of importing, manufacturing, or dealing in firearms until he
has filed an application with and received a license to do so from the Attorney
General.

May not be from the Attorney General, but the C&R is a federal license which would preempt the state laws right? for at least the parameters of the C&R.
 
jungleking, I don't understand what you're saying, the part you quoted is only a very small part of the relevant section, and doesn't say anything about this situation at all.

Regardless, no, a federal license does not preempt state law. State law can prohibit things that are not prohibited under federal law.
 
Thank you, that's what I wanted clarification on. It may be a federal license but follow the state regs in order to be compliant. Just trying to make sure I stay out of trouble.
 
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