C&R/FFL type 3 and Pistol Sales

[daniel craig]

I mean I understand it being extra time but I offered to pay all the FFL fees. I even offered to contact the FFL and pay for shipping from the FFL out to that person‘s house so it wouldn’t take any more of their time and money. They literally just need to provide me with an FFL.

 

[GBExpat]

The buyer seems really opposed to using an FFL and the only reason I can think that someone would be so opposed is because they’re trying to do some shady. That’s just my take.

Aside from the additional cost/time/effort aspect, there are a LOT of people that have zero interest in buying a firearm that sports a 4473-trail with their name attached.

 

[daniel craig]

Aside from the additional cost/time/effort aspect, there are a LOT of people that have zero interest in buying a firearm that sports a 4473-trail with their name attached.

That falls into my definition of shady lol

 

[daniel craig]

Turns out, according to the buyer, they got a C&R in an attempt to circumvent not being 21 and not having a state issued pistol permit but still be able to get a pistol.

 

[12Bravo20]

Turns out, according to the buyer, they got a C&R in an attempt to circumvent not being 21 and not having a state issued pistol permit but still be able to get a pistol.

From what I could find with a google search, You have to be at least 21 to even qualify for a C&R license. I wouldn't mess with that person if it was me.

 

[daniel craig]

From what I could find with a google search, You have to be at least 21 to even qualify for a C&R license. I wouldn't mess with that person if it was me.

Yeah. Something isn’t adding up.

 

[Outlaw75]

From what I could find with a google search, You have to be at least 21 to even qualify for a C&R license. I wouldn't mess with that person if it was me.

Not only that, but IIRC you also have to submit a copy of the application to your local sheriff or chief of police, depending on your jurisdiction.

 

[George P]

That falls into my definition of shady lol

No, some of us prefer to have some guns the feds don't know about so when they come to take the ones they know about, I have ones they do not know about.

 

[12Bravo20]

Not only that, but IIRC you also have to submit a copy of the application to your local sheriff or chief of police, depending on your jurisdiction.

From what I read on the ATF website that is still the case. One copy does go to the chief law enforcement officer/sheriff.

 

[12Bravo20]

No, some of us prefer to have some guns the feds don't know about so when they come to take the ones they know about, I have ones they do not know about.

If you have a C&R license and purchase a C&R gun, it must be logged into your bound book which the ATF can look at any time they want.

 

[GBExpat]

If you have a C&R license and purchase a C&R gun, it must be logged into your bound book which the ATF can look at any time they want.

Correct, until you cancel your FFL or allow it to lapse.

 

[dogtown tom]

If you have a C&R license and purchase a C&R gun, it must be logged into your bound book which the ATF can look at any time they want.

Not at all correct.
-ATF is restricted by federal law to no more than one compliance inspection per year.
-"any time"? No, only during the licensee's business hours as shown on the application for an FFL. C&R licensees can choose to bring their bound book to any ATF office instead of their premises.

 

[12Bravo20]

Not at all correct.
-ATF is restricted by federal law to no more than one compliance inspection per year.
-"any time"? No, only during the licensee's business hours as shown on the application for an FFL. C&R licensees can choose to bring their bound book to any ATF office instead of their premises.

My memory is rusty since it's been a long time since I've had to deal with any of that. I had a C&R years ago and also worked at a pawn shop that had a FFL.

 

[GBExpat]

My memory is rusty ...

'Been there for awhile ... Fe2O3 allllll over my memory!

If only it were Fe3O4, probably wouldn't anywhere near as bad.

 

[dogtown tom]

My memory is rusty since it's been a long time since I've had to deal with any of that. I had a C&R years ago and also worked at a pawn shop that had a FFL.

Any 03FFL Collector that gets a compliance inspection is in rarified air. They rarely if ever get an inspection.


I've been in business almost twelve years and have had three. Some 01's have never had one, others get them yearly. According to my IOI, "the computer" tells them when to conduct an inspection. I believe factors that increase the odds are number of firearms transferred, number of multiple sales, number of denied transactions and short "time to crime" (firearm traces of guns used in a crime that were recently transferred by the licensee)

Here's some stats from ATF:

For fiscal year 2018:

ATF has 135,314 active Federal Firearms Licensees (FFL)

Type 01-Dealer: 56,460
Type 02-Pawnbroker: 7,674
Type 03-Collector: 54,228
Type 06-Manufacturer of Ammunition: 2,157
Type 07-Manufacturer of Firearms: 12,889
Type 08-Importer: 1,164
Type 09-Dealer of Destructive Devices: 108
Type 10-Manufacturer of Destructive Devices: 388
Type 11-Importer of Destructive Devices: 246


Inspections: ATF conducted the following firearm compliance inspections: 10,323
Firearms compliance inspections resulted in the following recommendations [1]:
No violations: 4,379 (42.42%)
Report of violations: 1,834 (17.77%)
Warning letter: 1,088 (10.54%)
Warning conference: 371 (3.59%)
Surrendered in lieu of revocations: 34 (0.33%)
Revocations/Denials: 49 (0.47%)
Other (out of business, etc.): 2,568 (24.88%)