Standing Wolf
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I find myself missing the temperate climate and beaches less and less.
Ca microstamp bill passes Assembly.
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A quick read of the UC study that says microstamps can be removed in 30 seconds with a file reveals: The company that invented the process will gladly sell gun manufacturers a $250-$500k machine to microstamp their firing pins.
(Like it takes a UC study to figure that out....)
(Like it takes a UC study to figure that out....)
railroader
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http://www.ucop.edu/cprc/documents/howitt_manuscript_5407.pdf
Study from UC Davis showing it's flaws. Mark
Study from UC Davis showing it's flaws. Mark
gunsmith
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Contact Arnie
he has been pretty good at not signing this stuff...well...except for that .50 ban
he has been pretty good at not signing this stuff...well...except for that .50 ban
CountGlockula
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The bill does suck, but I love it here in CA. Where else can you get the beaches, sun, snow, mountains, Lakers, Clippers, Warriors, Dodgers, Angels, Ducks and bikinis all in one place. Anyways, I'll be fighting this bill and I'd recommend other Cal natives to do the same.
madmike
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http://www.nanomark.com/Ballistic-id-tagging/ballisticindex.htm
I don't believe it for a second.
Sure, you can engrave that small.
Make it hard enough to work on brass, on two locations, every time, without wearing out within a dozen rounds?
I imagine they have a couple of "samples" for the morons, I mean legistraitors to look at, and hope that the manufacturers will underwrite the R&D.
Reloaded brass will be a thing of the past--would YOU let someone resell your brass? Will you leave brass on the range to be picked up?
How hard will it be to deface that "microstamp" with a stone or nail?
It's time for every mfr to follow Barrett's lead and tell California to go screw. No guns to any gov't agency from any mfr.
Or just boycott the state entirely. Show them what happens when only the criminals have guns.
I don't believe it for a second.
Sure, you can engrave that small.
Make it hard enough to work on brass, on two locations, every time, without wearing out within a dozen rounds?
I imagine they have a couple of "samples" for the morons, I mean legistraitors to look at, and hope that the manufacturers will underwrite the R&D.
Reloaded brass will be a thing of the past--would YOU let someone resell your brass? Will you leave brass on the range to be picked up?
How hard will it be to deface that "microstamp" with a stone or nail?
It's time for every mfr to follow Barrett's lead and tell California to go screw. No guns to any gov't agency from any mfr.
Or just boycott the state entirely. Show them what happens when only the criminals have guns.
I vote we declare California to be non-America territory, have it relisted as Terrorist soil, invade it, conquer it, and replace the dictatorship with a republic that supports gun ownership.
The damn microstamping bill isn't gonna make it. The Governator vetoed the last one, it'll die again this year.
Everybody knows the only point of this bill is to outlaw all semi-automatic firearms. Microstamping technology is impossible and more flawed than ballistics databases, and since it can't be implimented, new semi-autos can't be sold in California, that's the whole point.
The damn microstamping bill isn't gonna make it. The Governator vetoed the last one, it'll die again this year.
Everybody knows the only point of this bill is to outlaw all semi-automatic firearms. Microstamping technology is impossible and more flawed than ballistics databases, and since it can't be implimented, new semi-autos can't be sold in California, that's the whole point.
WeThePeople
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How does a lack of microstamping make a firearm unsafe? Loads and loads of BS. I appreciate that many on this board are from California and are reasonable people. However, with all DUE respect, many in California have lost their minds!
crazed_ss
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Here is what I see as the major flaws with Microstamping.
CA has a safe pistol roster. All guns that are on the roster get to stay there as long as the gun companies continue to pay the yearly extortion fee to the CA DOJ.
That means, even if Microstamping is implemented, we will still be able to purchase guns that were certified prior to requirement of the microstamping technology.
Im guessing most gun companies wont even bother with making any microstamp'd models since they can continue to sell the old models without it. I'm also guessing whatever gun company decides to make a gun with microstamping technology wont sell very many of them as most self-respecting gun owners will opt for older models without it.
Additionally, microstamping will do nothing to help solve crime because it's not like all the crooks are gonna walk into a gun store and buy all new guns with microstamping technology. Basically, there will virtually be no guns with microstamping capability in circulation, so it will have ZERO effect on crime.
CA has a safe pistol roster. All guns that are on the roster get to stay there as long as the gun companies continue to pay the yearly extortion fee to the CA DOJ.
That means, even if Microstamping is implemented, we will still be able to purchase guns that were certified prior to requirement of the microstamping technology.
Im guessing most gun companies wont even bother with making any microstamp'd models since they can continue to sell the old models without it. I'm also guessing whatever gun company decides to make a gun with microstamping technology wont sell very many of them as most self-respecting gun owners will opt for older models without it.
Additionally, microstamping will do nothing to help solve crime because it's not like all the crooks are gonna walk into a gun store and buy all new guns with microstamping technology. Basically, there will virtually be no guns with microstamping capability in circulation, so it will have ZERO effect on crime.
Librarian
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Just to add some perspective.... I wrote to Mark DeSaulnier, co-sponsor of the bill, and incidentally the Assembly member from my district. I gave him gun sales data from the DOJ for the last couple of years, the comparable manufacturing data for the US from BATF, and some summary data from BATF via Gary Kleck on the number of guns in the country.
As a back-of-the-envelope calculation, I told him
As a back-of-the-envelope calculation, I told him
California politicians are not interested in laws that affect crimes; they like laws that will diminish gun ownership.
railroader, thanks for the link, I didn't have it handy.
Yeah, it is a company trying to get the state to underwrite their technological development, and then get the state of CA to force gun manufacturers to buy their microstamping machines.
Even though the UC Davis study shows it takes a whole thirty seconds with a file to get rid of the stamping.
If I could get my mitts on a stamped firing pin, I'd make an instructional video on removing the stamping and post it on YouTube or something. Spiteful, ain't I?
Yeah, it is a company trying to get the state to underwrite their technological development, and then get the state of CA to force gun manufacturers to buy their microstamping machines.
Even though the UC Davis study shows it takes a whole thirty seconds with a file to get rid of the stamping.
If I could get my mitts on a stamped firing pin, I'd make an instructional video on removing the stamping and post it on YouTube or something. Spiteful, ain't I?
Easy solution is NO GUNS to CA, civilian, police, National Guard, sheriffs etc.
I feel bad the company pushing this from my state NanoMark Technologies of Londonderry NH, But a search cannot find the company other than a barely non-professional under construction web site and no registration of the name with the secretary of state.
I am doing further research on them
I feel bad the company pushing this from my state NanoMark Technologies of Londonderry NH, But a search cannot find the company other than a barely non-professional under construction web site and no registration of the name with the secretary of state.
I am doing further research on them
madmike
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Makes me wonder if it's a front company set up by some California legislator.
Anyone find out the whois on site owner?
And so you have a fired case from the scene. So what? PROVE the bullet came from that case. PROVE the owner of the weapon was there.
And if the stamp isn't an exact match? "But this is state of the art technology. It's stamped with a number. If the Persecution can't definitely show it came from my client's gun, then obviously it's an invalid technology."
Serve them right when it bites them in the butt.
If they couldn't nail OJ with DNA that is exact and unique, they ain't gonna nail Jose Gangbanger with this.
Anyone find out the whois on site owner?
And so you have a fired case from the scene. So what? PROVE the bullet came from that case. PROVE the owner of the weapon was there.
And if the stamp isn't an exact match? "But this is state of the art technology. It's stamped with a number. If the Persecution can't definitely show it came from my client's gun, then obviously it's an invalid technology."
Serve them right when it bites them in the butt.
If they couldn't nail OJ with DNA that is exact and unique, they ain't gonna nail Jose Gangbanger with this.
kcmarine
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Jeeez. How could you live there? Seriously. Someone explain. I need help in getting this.
bg
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I saw something on Gun News Daily that there are plans to introduce this
on a Federal level..If so all of us are right smack dab in the middle of it,
just not here Corruptfornia..
on a Federal level..If so all of us are right smack dab in the middle of it,
just not here Corruptfornia..
THis is creation of a national database. As the wording at the company site infers that the whole stamping bull**** would be mandatory for every gun made in america. Possibly for any gun sold in america, regardless of where it was made(in or outside america.).
The process would most likely become a retroactive law mandating that all semi auto handguns in california to be upgraded to the microstamp requirements. This would create a problem as it would mean:
gun goes to original maker or to the nanomark place to be stamped.
As alot of collector guns in california are amde by now nonexistent companies, that would mean sending those guns to the nanomark company.
And whos going to send a 25,00 + Borchardt/bergman/etc, to a company to that a hamhanded drugged up 18 year old can destroy it with a hydraulic press and a dremel tool?
"sorry mr billy bob, its not our fault that your irreplacable borchardt worth 200,000 had its chamber ruined by someone with a hang over and a dremel cutting disk."
and of course, it would be a deadline to convert, followed by confiscation if you dont convert.
The process would most likely become a retroactive law mandating that all semi auto handguns in california to be upgraded to the microstamp requirements. This would create a problem as it would mean:
gun goes to original maker or to the nanomark place to be stamped.
As alot of collector guns in california are amde by now nonexistent companies, that would mean sending those guns to the nanomark company.
And whos going to send a 25,00 + Borchardt/bergman/etc, to a company to that a hamhanded drugged up 18 year old can destroy it with a hydraulic press and a dremel tool?
"sorry mr billy bob, its not our fault that your irreplacable borchardt worth 200,000 had its chamber ruined by someone with a hang over and a dremel cutting disk."
and of course, it would be a deadline to convert, followed by confiscation if you dont convert.
madmike
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Bezoar, I'd call you paranoid...
Except requiring muskets for "registration" and losing or breaking them is what the Brits did to the Zulus...
Except requiring muskets for "registration" and losing or breaking them is what the Brits did to the Zulus...
JP1954
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A Call To Arms - Attention All Californians
What we need here in California is an end run around our disgracefull Democratically controlled State government......I would like to see an initiative proposed which would amend the State constitution (thereby disarming AG Jerry "moonbeam" Brown and the other fascist leftists who are either in or have close ties to our judiciary.) I would like the initiative to be titled, "The Citizens Right to Self Defense Act." It will repeal the assault weapon ban, the high cap mag ban, the 10 day waiting period, and all the other sections of the California Penal Code dealing with gun control that have had 0000 effect on crime. Furthermore, it will state that any CITIZEN in the state age 25 or older who has no criminal record or mental health record SHALL be issued a CCW license on demand after completing a written test and a range test demonstrating the knowledge of the law as it pertains to defense and the knowledge of and skilled use of the firearm which is the subject of the CCW license. I believe a proposition like this has a chance to pass. There are Democrat citizens here that are opposed to gun control even though they keep voting gun control Democrats into office - go figure- can you spell D-I-S-C-O-N-N-E-C-T?)).
I believe this is going to be the only way we will keep our state from eventually confiscating every firearm from every law abiding citizen which I firmly believe is the end goal of the leftist fascists. If anybody out there knows how to get something like this started, I think now is the right time. Perhaps the NRA can help us with a grassroots campaign.
What we need here in California is an end run around our disgracefull Democratically controlled State government......I would like to see an initiative proposed which would amend the State constitution (thereby disarming AG Jerry "moonbeam" Brown and the other fascist leftists who are either in or have close ties to our judiciary.) I would like the initiative to be titled, "The Citizens Right to Self Defense Act." It will repeal the assault weapon ban, the high cap mag ban, the 10 day waiting period, and all the other sections of the California Penal Code dealing with gun control that have had 0000 effect on crime. Furthermore, it will state that any CITIZEN in the state age 25 or older who has no criminal record or mental health record SHALL be issued a CCW license on demand after completing a written test and a range test demonstrating the knowledge of the law as it pertains to defense and the knowledge of and skilled use of the firearm which is the subject of the CCW license. I believe a proposition like this has a chance to pass. There are Democrat citizens here that are opposed to gun control even though they keep voting gun control Democrats into office - go figure- can you spell D-I-S-C-O-N-N-E-C-T?)).
I believe this is going to be the only way we will keep our state from eventually confiscating every firearm from every law abiding citizen which I firmly believe is the end goal of the leftist fascists. If anybody out there knows how to get something like this started, I think now is the right time. Perhaps the NRA can help us with a grassroots campaign.
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