Calif. Lawmakers Propose Voting Age of 14 (merged threads)

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can we also make it so people over 70 get a half a vote
and those over 80 get a quarter?

We gotta break up that welfare driven evil AARP lobby

seems fair to me

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Does anyone remember that old Rolling Rock commercial from the 1980s -- "Son, when I was your age, dogs weren't allowed to vote"?
 
Agree with 4570RICK.
Can you imagine how people in education can easily sway young minds filled with mush?
What about voter abuse?If you don't vote a certain way,you flunk!!
Idiots.I think Cali. politicians took too much acid in college.:uhoh:

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Whyy are you so mad? All they are trying to do is allow a group that has the same maturity and mental age as the average Democrat voters and representative in California to the voting mix.
 
First of all, not having a vote doesn't necessarily mean that the government elected by the so called rich would suddenly stop protecting the rights as enumerated in the Constitution. That applies to all, regardless of whether they vote or not.

[mildly incoherent rant]
If welfare recipients couldn't vote, the cost of government would be lowered enough that businesses wouldn't need to take drastic measures, like offshoring jobs to be competitive. Thus, the poor wouldn't be poor for long. But that's the problem. Welfare recipients are by and large, uneducated. They don't understand that the offshoring of jobs is not the offshoring of salaries. It's the offshoring of high costs created by heavy tax burdens, created by their actions. Voting for the guy who doles out the most entitlements is a sure way to find yourself desperately in need of those same entitlements. But while receiving said entitlements, you become lazy. So you vote for the guy who is gonna "give you a raise." Then, people like me, who have been steadily employed their entire lives get fed up...because our rights aren't being protected by the government we pay for while the bum up the street gets a free ride on our dime. I suppose, being a died in the wool socialist, you'd classify me as rich. Well, I don't feel like my rights are being protected. I feel like my rights are being trampled on to grant someone else a privilege! So by your argument, the government is already illegitimate!!!
[/mildly incoherent rant]
 
I would not mind allowing kids access to the polls as long as the votes did not have any influance on the outcome... let's see what the kids think, but not allow them any influance at the polls.
 
*sigh*

MicroBalrog-

Kudos for throwing out "It's Jim Crow" without any coherent supporting argument. The argument that people should have to pay taxes before they can have a say in how tax money is spent is not racist by any stretch of the imagination. No one is saying that people should have to pay a certain amount of taxes before they can vote, only that they should pay taxes before the can vote. Considering credits for children and education and standard deductibles a lot of people that don't earn much get most, if not all, of their tax money back at the end of the year (like me). But at least they paid taxes.
As a brief comparision, think about a regular family. The 3 year old toddler doesn't have a say in how the money the parents earned is spent because the 3 year old didn't help EARN the money.
Giving people a say in how their money is spent is only fair. That's the "no taxation without representation" that was part of the Revolutionary War. On the flip side, only the people who have money in the system should have a say in how that money is spent. That is the "no representation without taxation" argument we are dealing with here.
In conclusion, if you have something worth saying, go ahead and say it. Even if you disagree with the prevailing consensus. That's free speech. But please don't bring down the level of the discussion by throwing out leftist buzzwords and pretending that's a logical argument.
 
The kids I meet are dumb as rocks and twice as ignorant.

yah but you're in TX so that's not really fair to the rest of the country :)


all kidding aside,14 y/o's ? come on....not even in CA
 
No, it's not RACIST. It's discriminatory.

Think of it. Imagine a piano player who loses two fingers in an accident. He can no longer earn his living = shifts to welfare. In your world, he can no longer vote. You see nothing wrong with it?

As per the family, the toddler doesn't get a say because he is a toddler.

In my family, I get to have a say in all major financial decisions, even though my salary is $60.
 
Imagine a piano player who loses two fingers in an accident. He can no longer earn his living = shifts to welfare.

Wrong. He can no longer be a piano player. I have no musical talent at all, therefore neither can I. Is this discrimination?
 
The piano player in question would probably be unfit to do any other professional work (being untrained for it by virtue of the intense training that piano players undergo), thus he would no longer be able to be anything but a wage slave = or to pay any taxes.
 
as a high-schooler and a 16-year-old, I have to say...

Dear god, NO!!!! I know what my kind are like...
 
I, as a native of the Great State of California, welcome our future governor... Ashton Kutcher... ‘Hey State Legislature? YOU GOT PUNK’D!’

*sigh* Well at least the weathers nice...
 
no longer be able to be anything but a wage slave

So he has a right to be more than a wage slave? You ARE a socialist!!!

I believe he has an opportunity to seek a new career. A socialist would believe that he is now disabled, and should be coddled by those of us who choose to actually make the most of our own opportunities. Part of the reason for the current complaints about unemployment is people like your piano player...who sit around and whine rather than getting out on the street and finding a job that needs doing rather than the one they want to do. Sorry comrade, some of us don't have that luxury. We have a sense of personal responsibility that drives us to succeed rather than wallow in self pity. But that's ok, you keep feeding off us. Sooner or later we're gonna say enough's enough. Not only will we not subsidize you anymore, we wont hire your sorry ass either!
 
So he has a right to be more than a wage slave

Never have I said that. However, in your logic, he loses the right to vote because his fingers just got ripped off?

Later on, the people who have all their fingers will vote to start a war with Country X and the pianist will die in a carpet-bombing. But, of course, he didn't have a right to vote against the war - he didn't pay for it.:D
 
Micro, five (or whatever) percent is still five (or whatever) percent, whether he makes one dollar or a hundred million dollars.

~G. Fink
 
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