California AB2062 resurfaces! Must stop it!

[KenpoProfessor]

May 2, 1967.

Want to tell us what happened in Sacramento that day, and the result?

Yep, Black Panthers led an armed protest.

Attracting new members through their high visibility, the Panthers sprang to national attention in 1967. Antagonism toward the party by law enforcement officials had prompted California lawmakers to consider GUN CONTROL. In May 1967, legislators met in Sacramento, the state capital, to discuss a bill that would criminalize the carrying of loaded weapons within city limits. To Seale and Newton, chairman and minister of defense of the BPP, respectively, the proposed law was unjust. Governor RONALD REAGAN was on the lawn of the state legislature as 30 armed Black Panthers arrived and entered the building. TV cameras followed the group's progress to the legislative chambers, where they were stopped by police officers, Seale shouting, "Is this the way the racist government works—[you] won't let a man exercise his constitutional rights?" He then read a prepared statement:

The Black Panther Party calls upon American people in general and black people in particular to take full note of the racist California legislature which is now considering legislation aimed at keeping the black people disarmed and powerless, at the very same time that racist police agencies throughout the country are intensifying the terror, brutality, murder and repression of black people.

The Panthers kept their guns, left the building, and were subsequently disarmed by the police.

http://law.jrank.org/pages/4775/Black-Panther-Party.html

The legislators were already going to pass that bill.



Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

 

[KenpoProfessor]

So if the choice was between feeding your family for a month or going to a rally that only minorly hindered your "rights"

you would go to said rally?

More of the CA rationale. Minorly hindered rights ? Is that like being just a little bit pregnant? And at this point, I refuse Godwin's law.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

 

[TAB]

So why not answer my question?

 

[Oana]

Now that we're thoroughly off topic...

I get what KenpoProfessor is saying. I also get what TAB is saying. It's true, we could all probably use a good kick in the pants to get us up and active, especially for huge issues. But seriously...$500...it's not like some of us have that kind of money available for such a trip. In many cases, it IS literally a matter of do we eat this month or do we go to the rally. So throwing around accusations is a pointless exercise.

I don't know how much legislators are going to care about a 1,000-man march on the capitol. Really. In lieu of that, perhaps instead of organizing one big super-duper protest, there could be regional protests - say, three or four in designated cities - so people wouldn't have to drive so far. It's not an all-or-nothing proposition. And getting people to simply call or write can matter.

For that matter, it's also who you put into office, not just the legislation. Get a governor who won't sign those bills into law, and you'll deal with half the problem right there. It's pathetic how few people vote. And it's amazing how many people will vote for a compromising candidate and then wonder why they get a Republican/Democrat hybrid.

I still think the biggest issue is education. Getting people interested in firearms & gun rights. Too many in CA aren't aware of how to even use a gun for sport, let alone the regulations that are coming down. Take that $500 and invest it in the next generation.

 

[Librarian]

The Panthers kept their guns, left the building, and were subsequently disarmed by the police.

The legislators were already going to pass that bill.

In 1967, the California legislature was relatively sane. (Irrationally frightened in this narrow area, but usually sane.) (Note that California has had predominantly Democratic voter registration since 1934.)

We did not yet have the Gun Control Act of 1968.

We did not yet have the Vietnam-ized Democratic Party. We did not have Brady and Soros funding politicians, and Joyce funding quasi-research.

In short, a small number of gun owners, demanding their rights, caused a relatively sane legislature to act precipitously and unwisely.

Today, on almost any issue, the California Legislature has forgotten any possible reasonable role for government. I submit your suggestion of a gun-owner's rally in Sacramento would produce a far quicker, far more deleterious result than the Panthers drew forty years ago.

We've got enough problems without folks encouraging us to shoot ourselves in the foot.

 

[MarcusWendt]

Hmmm, what can you do to help. Well, look up the name of some cities in California, pick your favorite, find the assembly person for that area and call them. Tell them you are from there. THEY DON'T CHECK!!!!!!! All they want to know is what bill what's your position, and where you are calling from.

Kenpo Professor, if you aren't part of the solution..... know what I mean?

Lately you seem like a Brady plant around here.

 

[Yellowfin]

^ Hmm...the Bradys are plants? Let's all go buy some Roundup then! Heck, I've been wondering what's a way to get rid of them for a long time!

 

[mojohand]

Clyde seems to think that if a thousand people show up at the steps of the capital, that suddenly everything will change. How many tiomes have you seen a bunch of protestors at the capital yelling, screamiong, and chanting their slogans? The answer is a lot. But those efforts are of little value. Sure you get your name on the news for that day, but the next day it is forgotten. The true change happens behind the scenes. Not at some dog and pony show on the steps of the capitol. Also, if a march was organized, think of all the "fringe" characters that would come out in their cammo and garb and steal the show form the real story. They would get on the news and that would be the story, not whatever legislation is being protested.

A march is a tool, not the tool

 

[mojohand]

Oh, and just to keep on the original thread, I have called and emailed my assemblyman and senator

 

[Harley Quinn]

Some have children to feed, some don't. The idea to show up and protest is one that has been around for some time. As in the past the families were the ones that suffered, and still do.

The Movie "Joe Kidd" shows you what happens if you step out of line.

I believe CA is a lost cause. The new laws in July show that to be true.

Do what you can, and continue to try and survive, if moving makes you happy do it. I know a lot of people who moved out of the state of CA, no one moved because they wanted to carry a gun on their hip in public.