California guns

[stinger 327]

It is my understanding and correct me if I am wrong that newer guns shipped to California like a pistol will have a safety magazine device where if you remove the magazine the gun cannot fire a round in the chamber. (Useless)

If you move out of California can that be changed back to the way the manufacturer has in other states where there is no magazine device?

Are there any other things that California has messed up with rifles or handguns? If so can those modifications be returned back to normal?

i.e. limitation on number of rounds in magazine clip 10. (But this can be remedied by just purchasing the correct magazine clip out of the state of CA.

 

[g.willikers]

Lots of pistols have a magazine disconnect feature, like that.
And not for California alone.
It's considered a safety feature and not particularly a legal requirement.
California has far more regulations and restrictions than just that one.
If you're interested, go to the calguns website for all the info on that perturbed state.
http://www.calguns.net/

 

[stinger 327]

Lots of pistols have a magazine disconnect feature, like that.
And not for California alone.
It's considered a safety feature and not particularly a legal requirement.
California has far more regulations and restrictions than just that one.
If you're interested, go to the calguns website for all the info on that perturbed state.
http://www.calguns.net/

Thank you

 

[Sam1911]

You may be thinking of the "bullet button" which is a CA specific feature that makes it so an AR's magazine isn't detachable without using a tool. You can use the tip of the bullet of another cartridge to push in the button and drop the magazine. You can change those out after you leave CA.

A magazine disconnect safety is a whole different thing. Some pistols came with them originally and many did not. Usually they can be removed/disabled if you want.

 

[stinger 327]

You may be thinking of the "bullet button" which is a CA specific feature that makes it so an AR's magazine isn't detachable without using a tool. You can use the tip of the bullet of another cartridge to push in the button and drop the magazine. You can change those out after you leave CA.

A magazine disconnect safety is a whole different thing. Some pistols came with them originally and many did not. Usually they can be removed/disabled if you want.

Then those guns that came with the mag disconnect will involve some gunsmith work to get them back up to be able to shoot last round in chamber without a magazine.

 

[stinger 327]

I have heard of another California law in the works where gun leaves markings on the casings to identify the gun, make model and caliber. Micro stamping?

 

[g.willikers]

Yes, and there's plenty of other stuff, too.
Like once a gun is finally approved for California sales, if anything at all is changed in future models, even if the gun itself remains otherwise identical, the newer version is not legal.
It's gotten so bad, that some gun manufacturers have decided to drop California altogether.

 

[Sam1911]

Then those guns that came with the mag disconnect will involve some gunsmith work to get them back up to be able to shoot last round in chamber without a magazine.

Well, mag disconencts aren't a CA thing. S&W, CZ, Browning Hi Powers, and many other pistols have had that feature, at least in some models. A lot of police agencies wanted them, for example.

Removing them, if you have a gun that happens to have come with that feature, can be a gunsmith thing, but often is kitchen table stuff -- like removing the "bullet button."

 

[Center fire]

Because of the micro stamping (which I understand no mfr has yet to develop) we in CA are limited to older designed handguns. For example Glock gen 4 cannot be sold here, but gen 3 can. It sucks!

 

[Sam1911]

I have heard of another California law in the works where gun leaves markings on the casings to identify the gun, make model and caliber. Micro stamping

Sort of. Micro-stamping isn't specifically a CA thing, either. Those bills have been floated elsewhere, too (New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Maryland, Wisconsin, Illinois.).

The firing pin would have a small marking etched onto the tip which would, in theory, stamp a number into the primer when the gun fires, identifying which gun fired that case.

Again, simple to change if it bothers you. Just swap in a different firing pin. They're interchangeable.

 

[g.willikers]

Don't people there know how to vote?
It can't be all that hard to change the face of California politics.
There's only 120 members in the state assembly.

 

[Sam1911]

Don't people there know how to vote?
It can't be all that hard to change the face of California politics.

The people of CA have been voting for (people who support) more gun control for many decades now. Folks, collectively, tend to get the government and laws they want.

 

[Tinpig]

The Browning Hi Power is an example of an extraordinarily successful pistol that was designed (in the early 1930s) with a magazine disconnect. People can and do remove the disconnect mechanism to make the trigger pull lighter.

My Hi Power has an excellent trigger and I've seen no reason to remove the disconnect.

Either way, I can't imagine clearing a pistol without checking the chamber.

Tinpig

 

[TimSr]

My 439 S&W has that feature. I thing it was a safety feature a lot of mfgs used. There are still simpltons out there who think that dropping the magazine renders the gun "unloaded", and I remember a case some years back of an idiot who shot his kid with a gun he had just "unloaded". Lots of the cheap semi auto mouse guns did NOT have this feature.

 

[Sam1911]

Yup. And there are decent arguments both ways.

If I'm disarmed but manage to drop the magazine, the bad guy can't use it against me.
If I managed to bump the mag out (or didn't seat it and it falls out), I can't even fire that one round in the chamber.
If I drop the mag, but forget to clear the chamber, the gun still can't fire if my kid gets ahold of it.
Etc.

Most shooters don't want them, but some do.