Cameras Cameras everywhere...

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Headless Thompson Gunner said:
Multiple generations?

I wouldn't want to spend an afternoon in one. I will NOT be visiting chicago any time soon.
Chicago also has cameras at intersections(not all)that takes a pic 2/10ths of a second after the light changes red when you cross the line. Then you get a ticket in the mail. Oh and if you loan your car to a friend too bad you still get the ticket.:fire: :cuss: :mad: :banghead:
 
State mandated cameras in business

If the state mandates them, the state should pay for them. They are not necessary for most businesses. I suspect businesses that need them or desire them already have them like jewelry stores, electronics retailers and certain nightclubs. I think the wording is trying to capture nightclubs and the like, which can be known for violence, shootings, and what not, without actually saying "nightclubs" and being pounced upon by a certain cross section of businesses. They capture it by wording another way.

However, if the state mandates, the state should pay. Then that mandate should be set to vote by the community it affects, the local taxpaying voters and business people in the community. Let's see how far that gets. Not very is my guess.

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I just moved out of Chicago to WI were I bought a house with a yard and a garage, and where parking is plentiful and its legal to own guns and buy ammo without a permit for the same price I paid for a studio apt. If Daley wants to mandate Cameras you can be sure that corrupt bastard is making a heavy profit somewhere along the line. His gadjillion dollar airport plan isn't enough for him?
 
PCGS65 said:
Chicago also has cameras at intersections(not all)that takes a pic 2/10ths of a second after the light changes red when you cross the line. Then you get a ticket in the mail. Oh and if you loan your car to a friend too bad you still get the ticket.:fire: :cuss: :mad: :banghead:
A friend of mine received a Chicago traffic ticket in the mail. He and his car have ever been anywhere near Chicago. He called the phone number on the ticket to help them sort out their mistake. The response he got was "We don't care if we screwed, pay the ticket anyway." :fire:

It figures somehow that the same place now expects all of the business owners to shell out for a security camera they don't want. Once these cameras are all installed, how long do you think it'll take Daley to demand that those business owners pay to have their cameras connected to some government "security" center?
 
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gc70 said:
NEWS FLASH - Darth Vader Crime Spree

Surveillance cameras captured photos of Darth Vader commiting 172 crimes in the city today. Police were puzzled about how Vader could apparently be at several crime scenes at the same time.
In other news, James Earl Jones has been taken in for questioning regarding the Darth Vader Crime Spree.
 
Kodiaz said:
Here in Fl the idiots that can't fill their tank before a hurricane want to force gas station owners to install generators.

Totalitarian B.S. forcing people to install video cameras.

That actually makes sense, if you think about it. What do people use gasoline for besides cars? How about...generators!

How much gasoline can you safely store around the average suburban home, even considering it HAS to be stored outside? Not much. Say a generator uses 5gal/day. 20 gallons gets you 4 days. 40 gallons, a dangerous amount to store, gets you 8 days. The power was out longer than that. Other people had gas cans in a shed that came apart and lost some or all of them. Keeping the gasoline in your house during the storm is foolish.

So you either have no power, or you stand in line for gas at too few operational stations, which people I know had to, despite having prepared well for the storm.
 
Manedwolf said:
That actually makes sense, if you think about it. What do people use gasoline for besides cars? How about...generators!

How much gasoline can you safely store around the average suburban home, even considering it HAS to be stored outside? Not much. Say a generator uses 5gal/day. 20 gallons gets you 4 days. 40 gallons, a dangerous amount to store, gets you 8 days. The power was out longer than that. Other people had gas cans in a shed that came apart and lost some or all of them. Keeping the gasoline in your house during the storm is foolish.

So you either have no power, or you stand in line for gas at too few operational stations, which people I know had to, despite having prepared well for the storm.
Is the best solution really for the government to force private citizens to act against their own interests, just because a few people who "prepared well" weren't prepared well enough?

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Headless Thompson Gunner said:
Is the best solution really for the government to force private citizens to act against their own interests, just because a few people who "prepared well" weren't prepared well enough?

Yes, it is. Some people don't know what's best for them, they have to be told.
 
Yes, it is. Some people don't know what's best for them, they have to be told.

You mean like not to smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol? Or turn in all their guns because the police will protect them? :scrutiny:
 
Hmm, surveillance cameras? Well, I don't think the state, city or any other government should be forcing businesses into this. If a business feels the expense is worth it, that is a business decision. But as for general surveillance, if you don't have anything to hide, what are you worried about (of course that is just said in jest, it is not my real position).

Here in MD the fight against these measures is already lost, thanks to the War on Drugs and help from Homeland Security:

http://www.citypaper.com/news/story.asp?id=10405

Blue Light Special
Life in a City Under Surveillance

Photos by Frank Klein


The camera at 23rd Street and Greenmount Avenue




Greenmount and 28th Street




"I think [the camera is] good," Shionta Williams, 13, says. "I'm not doing anything wrong, so I'm not worried about them."


"If they put them here, they should put them everywhere," argues Bonnie, 45. "Why do they have to be here in this neighborhood? What's that about?"


Camera at Pennsylvania and North avenues


"They ain't doing nothing for nobody," says Alexander Ellis, 39. "They're just there to lock black people up for drinking beer."


Camera at Saratoga Street and Park Avenue








View original version By Stephen Janis

Big Brother-is-watching clichés spring to mind, but once you get acquainted with the dizzying details of the Baltimore Police Department’s new citywide system of security cameras, Orwellian anxiety gives way to Kafkaesque stupor.

BPD’s chief of technical services, Kristen Mahoney, says four types of surveillance systems are operating in Baltimore, 178 cameras in all, each system using different technologies and being monitored at different locations. “We have a lot of tools at our disposal,” Mahoney says. “But the cameras are going up faster than we can monitor them.”

Twenty-eight microwave cameras, what Mahoney calls “top-of-the-line high-tech,” have been installed throughout the Inner Harbor and in police helicopters. (Mahoney says the cameras “can identify a car on the Key Bridge from the top of a building in the Inner Harbor.”) Then there are 50 closed-circuit cameras, deployed in May and paid for by a $2 million federal Homeland Security grant, along the Howard Street corridor and monitored in the basement of the Atrium Building on North Howard. The third batch consists of 80 cameras scattered around the Monument, Greenmount, and Park Heights neighborhoods, wireless units that were funded primarily by $2.9 million in “confiscated drug money,” Mahoney says. They are monitored by police officers, retired and non-, and residents at the Southeast and Northwest district police stations. The last and perhaps most visible electronic sentinels are the 20 so-called pod cameras, $20,000 units funded by a grant from the U.S. Department of Justice and affixed with flashing blue beacons. These cameras are not monitored: “Officers can use a football”—a remote monitoring device—“to monitor the pod cameras from a squad car,” Mahoney says. Though, she adds, “we do record everything.”...
(hit the link above for the rest of the article)
Note: the emphasis in the quote is mine (do you know how far the Key Bridge is from the Inner Harbor?)



http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/surveillance/2004-12-02-baltimore-spycams_x.htm (this link goes with the quote below)

Baltimore expands use of surveillance cameras
BALTIMORE (AP) — The city's network of 24-hour surveillance cameras monitoring the Inner Harbor will be expanded to cover three high-crime areas and the Canton waterfront, officials said Wednesday.
The cameras are part of a regional homeland security initiative announced in June. They eventually will be part of a surveillance network spanning five counties and stretching from the Inner Harbor to the Bay Bridge...

My "favorite" part is the last sentence of the article: "Eventually, Anne Arundel, Baltimore, Carroll, Harford and Howard counties and Annapolis would plug their systems into the city's hub." I live in Howard county. While there are some problems in some parts of the area, overall crime is not very bad here (part of why so many people move here and it has become one of the top 3 or 4 counties in the US in per capita income). I DON'T want the government/police watching me 24/7 when I set food out my door.

Of course, this is just the next step. We (the Baltimore-Washinton area) were among the pioneers in red light cameras, and no one cared about the privacy aspects because it "made us safer", DC has speeding cameras for "our protection", and now we have drug, crime, and homeland security/anti-terror surveillance cameras for "our protection".

Don't worry, Big Brother knows best and he'll certainly be adding more measures for "our protection" as we get more and more used to what we already have. It really is for the best, after all, so long as you aren't doing anything wrong what are you worried about. :barf:
 
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