Can anybody do a video review on this ammo?

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So this past October/November I didn't have much choice other than to hunt with Winchester Power Point 64 gr ammo. When doing my preseason grouping I noticed that the Power Point ammo shot horrible groups from my rifle. Even at approximately 50 yards, I was shooting 6+ inch groups. I thought that something was wrong with my rifle. So, I threw in some FMJ that I shoot regularly and noticed that it was just that particular ammo that was the issue. I recently bought some Hornady Black in 75gr BTHP and found that at over 100 yds I was shooting inside 3" with my Vortex Strikefire II. I mean I didn't really expect that type of accuracy from a hunting round. A heavy hunting round at that!
So, I'm curious as to if anybody has the ability to shoot through a chronograph as well as ballistics gel? I'll be happy to buy a box of ammo for the person that can do this test. I haven't been able to find anything on the internet about this particular ammo.

Here's the link
http://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/hor...ifle-ammunition?storeId=10151&catalogId=10051
 
First question before I would start blaming the ammo. What is the twist rate of your barrel?
 
1 in 7 should be fine for that weight. I wonder if something else is going on?
 
The round you linked is not a hunting bullet. It's a Match type BTHP. Thin jacket, likely to blow up. I would really suggest looking elsewhere. Especially when hunting anything larger than a gopher with 223.

Now the Hornady site says that the Black line of ammo is also offered with the FTX, SST, and Interlock, as well as the Amax, Vmax, and ELD match.

The FTX, SST, and Interlock are all proven hunting projectiles with reasonably long track records that are easily Googleable (new word?).

Were I you, I think I'd read up on those 3 projectiles, choose the one or ones that look good to you, and order up some Black loaded with your selection.
 
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swampcrawler said:
The round you linked is not a hunting bullet. It's a Match type BTHP. Thin jacket, likely to blow up. I would really suggest looking elsewhere. Especially when hunting anything larger than a gopher with 223.

Now the Hornady site says that the Black line of ammo is also offered with the FTX, SST, and Interlock, as well as the Amax, Vmax, and ELD match.

The FTX, SST, and Interlock are all proven hunting projectiles with reasonably long track records that are easily Googleable (new word?).

Were I you, I think I'd read up on those 3 projectiles, choose the one or ones that look good to you, and order up some Black loaded with your selection.
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I'm curious as to how you gathered that it's a thin jacket and not a hunting bullet?? I re-read the specifications and it states it's a hunting round for medium game. I would assume Deer wouldn't be classified as "large game" though I could be wrong. I imagine a moose would be large game. Or bears.

From what I've gathered, the Black line of ammo is designed to perform like match grade but be used for hunting.

H&Hhunter said:
1 in 7 should be fine for that weight. I wonder if something else is going on?
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I'm not sure. I have a few more rounds of that stuff left I can go shoot it tonight after my daughter's softball game. I have a few different rifles that I can load the ammo up into and see if I get the same results. This was the first ammo I've ever used that wasn't accurate out of my rifle.
 
As stated not a "hunting" bullet. I have shot quite a few head of game with the 68hpbt, and performance is good on ONLY soft tissue/light bone. Hit a shoulder with the 68 and youll cause a bad limp.
The 77s will likely penetrate better as they are heavier and slower but i still would not consider it a general purposes hunting bullet.

If you can get it try some of the federal with the 60grn partition.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/8...remington-60-grain-nosler-partition-box-of-20

Ive used those bullets driven over 3k and they are more reliable from less than perfect angles.

If you want i can probably get ahold of a .223 and shoot some of the hornady black over my chronos, but will have to wait till next week, and i dont have any ballistic gel.
 
LoonWulf said:
If you want i can probably get ahold of a .223 and shoot some of the hornady black over my chronos, but will have to wait till next week, and i dont have any ballistic gel.
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No no, it's ok. I feel like the answers I've gotten here have been sufficient as far as using them as a hunting round. I'm just leery about using the soft tip ammo. I shot again today and the FMJ M855 shot as expected.....right on the money. If I had a scope on my rifle I can bet I would be shooting sub MOA at 100 yds. It just shoots that well out of my rifle for whatever reason. I also shot a few rounds of the Power Point soft tip ammo and, as expected, the shots were off by several inches. I also shot a few rounds of the Black BTHP and they were even tighter of a group than the M855. This is why I'm leery about shooting another soft tip. I'm not sure if the exposed led has anything to do with how it flies or what. I'll buy some different types of ammo between now and opening day and figure out what my rifle likes the best. I don't anticipate shooting from more than 150 yds, so if it's going to be longer than that I'm not even going to sweat it. I don't want to maim anything. Ideally, I would prefer to take another neck shot so that it'll be DRT and I won't have to track it down or prolong it's suffering. That's the ideal shot for me. But, If it's outside of 50/75 yards, it'll be a shot to the vitals.
 
SoonerMedic said:
No no, it's ok. I feel like the answers I've gotten here have been sufficient as far as using them as a hunting round. I'm just leery about using the soft tip ammo. I shot again today and the FMJ M855 shot as expected.....right on the money. If I had a scope on my rifle I can bet I would be shooting sub MOA at 100 yds. It just shoots that well out of my rifle for whatever reason. I also shot a few rounds of the Power Point soft tip ammo and, as expected, the shots were off by several inches. I also shot a few rounds of the Black BTHP and they were even tighter of a group than the M855. This is why I'm leery about shooting another soft tip. I'm not sure if the exposed led has anything to do with how it flies or what. I'll buy some different types of ammo between now and opening day and figure out what my rifle likes the best. I don't anticipate shooting from more than 150 yds, so if it's going to be longer than that I'm not even going to sweat it. I don't want to maim anything. Ideally, I would prefer to take another neck shot so that it'll be DRT and I won't have to track it down or prolong it's suffering. That's the ideal shot for me. But, If it's outside of 50/75 yards, it'll be a shot to the vitals.
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Why don't you give the federal 62 gr bonded tip a try? ETA that I'm a big fan of partitions, but if you're leery of a lead tip (though I'm not sure that's the whole issue) this would be a fair alternative.
 
The 64grn PowerPoints in factory form have always been adequate for me accuracy wise, but never spectacular.y own handloads with the 64s were mostly sub 1-1.5" at 100.

The federal partition load on the other hand has always shot well in the guns ive owned.

Trying a few different brands of ammo will likely leave you with a couple that work great and a couple that are horrible, with the rest in the middle. The barnes TSX loads would also be a good option, if they shoot well.

Again tho this is for "general" hunting, if your putting rounds in the boiler room even those bthps will do the job no problem, hell ive killed more than a few 90-150lb deer with american eagle 50grn hps.
 
Epiphany moment!!!! If your rifle likes them long pills so much, try the DRT ammo! It's supposed to be the most lethal thing since uranium and them pills are LONG.

Fully frangible, penetration, terminal shock, MANY positive reviews out there, might be what you're looking for....
 
horsey300 said:
Why don't you give the federal 62 gr bonded tip a try? ETA that I'm a big fan of partitions, but if you're leery of a lead tip (though I'm not sure that's the whole issue) this would be a fair alternative.
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I'm guessing it's probably the weight and my twist rate. I'm far from knowledgeable in
horsey300 said:
Epiphany moment!!!! If your rifle likes them long pills so much, try the DRT ammo! It's supposed to be the most lethal thing since uranium and them pills are LONG.

Fully frangible, penetration, terminal shock, MANY positive reviews out there, might be what you're looking for....
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If I were shooting pigs, yes absolutely. But I think I want to try and avoid frangible ammo for deer...unless I do get that neck shot, but I wouldn't have the opportunity to switch out ammunition before taking a shot. I'm leaning toward the Barnes TSX in either 70gr or 62gr. I'll probably buy both and see which one shoots best from my rife. I would like to avoid destroying the meat if at all possible.
 
I regularly hunt deer, javelina and large varmints with .223. I reload so I’m not sure what choices are available in factory loaded ammo but I can tell you what my favorite projectiles are.

My top choice is the Sierra 65 gr Gameking. It is VERY accurate (1/2 MOA) and performs well.

My second choice is the 62 and 64 gr Gold Dot or Fusion. I have some in each weight. They appear to be the same bullet and both are accurate and perform equally well.

Third would be the Winchester 64 gr Power Point. These are accurate and perform well but the lead tip is easily deformed.

The Speer 70 gr SP is also quite accurate but I have not shot a large animal with one yet so I can’t say how it would perform on deer size game.

FYI, I am shooting these loads in Sako rifles which all have a 1/12 twist. Yes, I know 60+ gr bullets are supposed to require a faster twist rate and the Sierra bullet boxes are even marked with a caution that a 1/10 or faster twist is required but that has not been my experience. However, I must admit that I was surprised the 70 gr Speer bullets shot so well (1.0 MOA) with this twist rate.

These rounds were loaded with H335 and Win 748 powder.
 
Not in .223, but my recent pig kill with the Federal Fusion from my Creedmoor went well enough.

The loaded ammo is fairly cheap, very accurate, and performs well.
 
For factory loaded ammo to deer hunt with, try Federal Fusion 62 or 64 grain. The Nosler Defense with the 64 BSB is a great choice too. Also any ammo that has a TTSX in it will be great.

There are many great choices for deer in the .223 ammo availability and price will vary, but I am positive that any I listed will work, just keep the range reasonable and shot placement critical.
 
CarJunkieLS1 said:
For factory loaded ammo to deer hunt with, try Federal Fusion 62 or 64 grain. The Nosler Defense with the 64 BSB is a great choice too. Also any ammo that has a TTSX in it will be great.

There are many great choices for deer in the .223 ammo availability and price will vary, but I am positive that any I listed will work, just keep the range reasonable and shot placement critical.
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Absolutely agree with the range. I had the opportunity to shoot a huge buck last season (larger than the one I posted), but let him walk since I didn't know exactly how far out he was. After stepping it off later on I determined it to be within a reasonable range, probably about 125 yards, but I'm glad to have let him walk away since I was unsure. I'd rather not take a shot that I'm unsure of than take a risky shot.
 
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