Can anyone identify this black powder revolver?

[tgf600]

I have this black powder revolver but it has no makers name on it.
On the top of the barrel it says 0037 of 1000. S/N E64537

The cylinder is engraved with a name of W.L. Ormsby and model USMR. It also says Patient. Nothing else.







If anyone can give me any info on this gun please do so. What's it worth? Who made it?

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[Old Fuff]

It is a modern replica of the Colt 1847 Walker revolver. It was most likely made in Italy. Current value is about $175 -$225. As the maker didn't put their name on it, it would be difficult to indentify it further. The cylinder engraving copied that on the original Colt.

 

[mukluk]

It's a Walker, not sure who made it. Drop the loading lever and take a look on the bottom of the barrel for any markings.

 

[tgf600]

Nothing under the loading lever. It puzzels me that there's no makers mark.

I did find on the side of the barrel SM Black Powder Only Cal 44 Made in Italy.

 

[Old Fuff]

A number of small makers made special production runs for a particular importer. Some of these weren't marked with the maker's name.

 

[Tommygunn]

I did find on the side of the barrel SM Black Powder Only Cal 44 Made in Italy.

I wonder if the "SM" should have read "ASM." I have an old A.S.M. revolver where this happened -- the "A" broke off the die.
If so, A.S.M. means "Armi San Marco." They are out of business now, but they used to make BP repros that were often rather cheaply made, and crudely finished. Having said that, I have seen some really old ASMs that looked every bit as good as a Uberti or Pietta -- though I don't know how it shot, because it was in a store marked to be sold and I didn't wanna buy it.

 

[mec]

This is an original. One difference I see on all the replicas is that the 1847 is well above the wedge screw. On this one, it's hidden behind

We have an ASM Dragoon that has nice external finish. Had to replace the cylinder bolt to get it to shoot and all of the chambers were smaller than bore diameter and of different sizes. It shoots very well after all the chambers were polished out to a usable size.

We weren't so lucky with an asm 60 army. even with the undersized/different sized chambers opened up, it doesn't group very well and a couple of chambers give unreliable ignition-possible deep-threaded nipples.

 

[DixieTexian]

If it says 0037 of 1000, then that probably means it is a limited edition. They do the same numbering system with limited prints in art. Generally, the smaller the number, the more valuable it is. I would try to check into it more.

 

[mec]

It sounds like somebody is trying to imitate the 1000 originals from the 1847 contract. I seem to remember a replica of the Tucker and Sherrad all done up Texas with that seal on it.

 

[Ed Gallop]

I'm looking at my ASM Walker and everything except the Texas Ranger, Star, and production numbers is the same. I agree that the A is missing on the ASM. The rest reads the same but it is under the loading lever on mine. Your handles remind me of the special production of civil war (union and confederate models) at Cabelas on the 1860 Army with pearl handles. They are on sale. I'm pretty confident it is a special production ASM Walker, just like the 1860 Army at Cabelas. cat370001&rid=&indexId=cat370001&navAction=push&masterpathid=&navCount=4&parentType=index&parentId=cat370001&id=0036662&_requestid=25208 Ed.

 

[Ed Gallop]

The link to Cabelas 1860 Army special roduction is...

http://cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/pod/horizontal-pod.jsp;jsessionid=Q0Q3TYF2VF2I0CWQNWTCCNQK0BW0CIWE?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/pod-link.jsp_A&_DAV=MainCatcat21404-cat601811-cat370001&rid=&indexId=cat370001&navAction=push&masterpathid=&navCount=4&parentType=index&parentId=cat370001&id=0036662&_requestid=25208

 

[tkendrick]

FYI

You all probably already know this. USMR stands for United States Mounted Rifles, and Ormsby was the engraver that drew the ships that appear on the cylinder.

 

[mainmech48]

Just guessing, but from the photos and the way the thing is serial numbered I'd say that it's some sort of "Texas Rangers" commemorative. Have no idea just who would've commissioned or sold them, but it follows the general pattern for these things.

Without a definititive manufacturer's inscription, I'd go along with the "Armi San Marco" theory as being the most likely maker, based on the fragmentary evidence. Country of origin should be easy, as most all European nations' makers have to use a mandated 'proof' process and mark every weapon with the required stampings in the areas defined for testing. The markings are specific to the nation, and there are charts available to identify where they're from.

IMHO, "value" on things of this type is entirely subjective, and should be evaluated by the prospective buyer primarily on the quality of the materials and workmanship of both the base item and the embellishments. Just being "One of One Thousand" means exactly squat, in and of itself.

As far as the potential for appreciating in value goes, that's the bottom line as I see it.

 

[Ed Gallop]

I believe there was a Colt Walker model called a Texas Ranger back in the 1800s and may be the reason for the limited editions. "Walker, Texas Ranger"... I can't help thinking of Chuck Norris when I say that. Hope I didn't ruin your day by my connecting Chuck Norris to your Walker. Ed.