Can you wear an inside the waistband holster without a CCW?

[CountGlockula]

I know it's a dumb obvious question, but I want to ask: Can you wear an inside the waistband holster to the range, even though you don't have a concealed carry weapons permit?

I want to get one to add onto my holster collection.

Thank you and stay safe.

 

[Dr. Dickie]

Sure, as long as there is no gun in it
Seriouly, as long as your gun range has no problem with it (A lot of them have problems with letting you "draw" on the line), then I would think sure.
BUT, no gun once you leave the range (at least not conceled).

Uhh, I just noticed that you are in Kalifonia. Who knows there, Nancy might parachute in and have you hauled away on the spot.

 

[CountGlockula]

It only applies to "just the range" only?

 

[RNB65]

You need to check your state code to see exactly how your state defines a concealed handgun then ask yourself if what you are suggesting violates the law. Depending on the law, you may or may not be able to have a concealed handgun at the range.

 

[CountGlockula]

Thanks guys!

 

[zoom6zoom]

I use an IWB holster to open carry all the time. The same amount of the gun is visible as would be in a OWB holster.

 

[kungfuhippie]

In the D.P.R.California you can carry concealed on private property as long as the owner gives concent. You can not carry concealed without the permit in public, so from the house to the range just keep it unloaded and locked up the trunk away from ammo (around here guns tend to load themselves ) and you'll be fine. Just be sure the owner of the property (not just the guy behind the counter) is okay with it. If the range is leased land/space you may have to get permission from the property owner or property manager (good luck)

 

[DogBonz]

you may harm the holster

if you wear an IWB holster without a gun in it for a while, it may collapse the holster

 

[Black Majik]

CG,

Just wanted to make sure. Are you asking if you can carry a gun (unloaded) in a IWB holster on the way to the range without a CCW license?

If so, unfortunately you cannot.

 

[carebear]

Is that in Cali Black?

The only reason I ask is that most "concealed weapons" statutes I'm familiar with have a definition of concealed something like (roughly):

A weapon is concealed if it cannot be identified as a weapon without moving or opening a covering garment or device.

In short, even if it is in an IWB holster, if the grip or enough of the gun is visible enough to be recognized as a gun without having to move a shirt or jacket to see it, it is openly carried, not concealed. Thus not subject to a concealed weapons charge.

I OC my Commander in an IWB on occasion, the holster type is immaterial. As OC is perfectly legal (here anyway) CCW doesn't apply.

 

[Black Majik]

carebear,

I was thinking he was inquiring carrying an empty gun concealed. In CA open or concealed carry is illegal. So there aren't any defining laws of when a gun is considered concealed. Without a CCW license in CA, transporting a handgun must be in a locked case and unloaded.

I'll wait for countglockula to clarify his question first since I'm interested in what he meant.

 

[kungfuhippie]

In CA open or concealed carry is illegal.

some small northern counties and blm land allow open carry. Some counties even give out ccw permits to commoners (though LA, Orange, and Riverside do not)

 

[CountGlockula]

Are you asking if you can carry a gun (unloaded) in a IWB holster on the way to the range without a CCW license?

Yes.
Apologies if I was unclear.

Second question, what about wearing the IWB holster with loaded gun, at the range? ...without a concealed carry permit?

 

[cpaspr]

Did you mean:

Can you wear an inside the waistband holster without a CC permit ?

As I read it CCW means Concealed Carry Weapon. Why would you want to wear an IWB holster to and from the range without the gun? That's what the thread title seems to be asking.

If I'm properly interpreting your actual intended question, then it depends on state law. In Oregon, you can carry concealed to and from an organized range if you are a member, without having a concealed carry permit. I never did though. Why bother? If you don't have the permit, why practice just for the short car trip to the range? "Gee, I feel all giddy, knowing I'm carrying a gun concealed here in my car when I can't carry at any other time or place or on any other trip but this specific one to and from the gun range where I'm a member." Silliness attack over.

 

[kungfuhippie]

Are you asking if you can carry a gun (unloaded) in a IWB holster on the way to the range without a CCW license?
Yes.

No, you can not carry a gun, even unloaded, concealed without the permit in CA. Especially in L.A. The holster, empty is fine. If the range is private (and the owner allows it) you can carry concealed there (on private property) but on the way there is a big, go to jail-get a boy friend, do not pass go, do not collect $200, lose you RKBA, NO.

Go here packing.org will help explain all the legal voodoo.

Don't take advise from out-of-state people. Their laws are completely different. If you get a ccw permit in the PRK you will enjoy some of the most laxed laws around...

 

[Black Majik]

CountGlockula,

Take a look at CaliforniaCCW.org . It'll cover pretty much everything pertaining to concealed carry in California.

www.californiaccw.org

 

[SniperStraz]

I'm not sure what "concealed" means in Cali. In GA, in order to not be "concealed" the weapon must be in "full view" and I read somewhere that it has to be visable from 3 seperate angles.
So as far as what Zoom6Zoom said:

I use an IWB holster to open carry all the time. The same amount of the gun is visible as would be in a OWB holster.

I know that in GA IWB is not "in full view" and I suppose that a form fitting OWB holster is different since you have more of an idea of what the person is packing. Check your local laws and be weary of little phrases like: "full view" "partial view" "majority of weapon" stuff like that. G'luck

 

[Librarian]

In case you hadn't gathered yet, California is a pretty weird place.

So far as I can tell *, California Penal Code does not define 'concealed'. It says other things, e.g. PC 12025 " (f) Firearms carried openly in belt holsters are not concealed within the meaning of this section."

The PC uses the word as if it were defined:

12025. (a) A person is guilty of carrying a concealed firearm when
he or she does any of the following:
(1) Carries concealed within any vehicle which is under his or her
control or direction any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable
of being concealed upon the person.
(2) Carries concealed upon his or her person any pistol, revolver,
or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.
(3) Causes to be carried concealed within any vehicle in which he
or she is an occupant any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable
of being concealed upon the person.

Definitions are in PC 12000, and again, it uses concealed but does not seem to define it.

I do know that in People v. Hale (1974) 43 Cal.App.3rd 353,356 a California Court of Appeals ruled that a firearm carried unloaded and completely openly on the seat of a car, magazine removed and concealed made the whole weapon concealed. Makes me wonder who invented the phrase 'sober as a judge'.

Open carry is not specifically authorized by law (except as noted [by kungfuhippie] regarding the low-population counties) - it's just not forbidden when UNLOADED; open, LOADED needs that variant CCW. Carrying loaded has restrictions; carrying concealed has restrictions; carrying open unloaded avoids both sets of restrictions, but is not explicitly allowed or disallowed.

So, in theory, Count Glockula, you should be able to carry open, unloaded, in an IWB not covered by a shirt or jacket or whatnot, up to the point where the range may say 'no holstered guns', if they choose that restriction. And before I tried that, I'd visit my personal lawyer for a sanity check.

I don't know why you would do that. PC 12031 (e) says

(e) In order to determine whether or not a firearm is loaded for
the purpose of enforcing this section, peace officers are authorized
to examine any firearm carried by anyone on his or her person or in a
vehicle while in any public place or on any public street in an
incorporated city or prohibited area of an unincorporated territory.
Refusal to allow a peace officer to inspect a firearm pursuant to
this section constitutes probable cause for arrest for violation of
this section.

So, if you get stopped by LEOs you are likely to get a muzzle screwed into your ear while they disarm you and teach you the meaning of 'felony prone'. After they determine the weapon is unloaded, they might figure out that you are not breaking any gun transport law, but might also find something like 'disturbing the peace'. Officer Friendly might even be nice about it and just advise that open carry spooks the locals, and would-you-please-not-do-that. In most of California, I would bet against the latter reaction.

* 'so far as I can tell' means I've looked pretty carefully through the Penal Code, and I don't see it. It might be there and I missed it, it might be phrased in a way I did not expect, it might not be in the Penal Code, I might have a recurring brain cramp on the subject.