Canada's Crime Rate 50% Higher than U.S.

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Democratic underground...i just browsed around. What a strange place.

*shakes head* hmm, in 24 hours ill be able to post there.

When comapring crime statistics, its important to remember this-

Population density
 
You will be banned from that site (Demonic Underground) quicker then you can say Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

Unless you try to keep it low key and "act democratic" which I apparently failed to do. I posted in a thread where they were blaming suicide on lax gun laws/ guns existance, and that is what I think got me banninated.

As a side note, say anything even remotely reasonable/factual/sense making about guns with a low post count, and you are likely to get bannerd. It's a lot like if someone with 3 posts came to this site and asked people why they love something that kills people. (Does that happen?)

If you manage to stay alive in that site please let me know how, I might give it another shot via a proxy because it was highly entertaining while I lasted.
 
Dunno, ill go psot a lil today.

Not sure i really WANT to. Although acting un-democratic is against there TOS, i dont plan on acting un democratic, just acting libertian.
 
crime rates Canada v USA

A Canadian study showed that the US Prairie states (ID, MT, ND, MN)
have twice the number of guns per capita as the corresponding
Canadian povinces, yet the provinces have 50% more crimes per capita.
OR, the US states have 200% the number of guns per 100,000 people
but only 66% the number of crimes per 100,000 people per year compared
to the Candaian Provinces, while the Canadian provinces have 50% the
number of guns per capita but 150% the number of crimes per per capita
compared to the US states.
US Prairie States: More Guns, Less Crime;
Canadian Prairie Provinces: Less Guns, More Crime
(there's a book title in there somewhere).
The study was publicised by the National Post newspaper in Canada.

Now, the Toronto (Canada) Star likes to point out: "Chicago: 445
homicides. Washington D.C.: 195 homicides. Baltimore: 268 homicides. Toronto: 78 homicides." Chicago and Washington D.C. have some
of the harshest gun laws in the USA, so what does that proive? The
real American gun culture, the Prairie States, are less violent than
the anti-gun big urban areas. Raw counts are not comparable even between
cities. Rates per 100,000 per year and trends (up or down) are comparable.
If the crimes are uniformly reported.

A big problem with these cross-country comparisons is that the
British Home Office likes to compare British First Degree Murder
Convictions per 100,000 per annum, to US Homicide Reports (all
non-accidental non-suicidal homicides before adjudication,
including justifiable homicide by police).
 
holy heck!

Im impressed! For supposed 'open minded' people..dang

All i had to do was say this about immigration!


"Welcome to America, now speak English"

I would display this bumper sticker gladly.

America IS an english speaking country, and if YOU come HERE you ought to speak it or learn how!

Expecting american citizens to speak spanish because of illegal immigrants is like asking the landlord to pay you for illegally coming on his property and living there.

Ah well, fun while it lasted, and maybe i made some of them think a little.

Check out the rplies, BTW

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Whats amazing, is that when talking about the bill of rights on DU no one ever mentions the second ammendment. I didn't know politicians can pick and choose which ammendments are convenient at the moment.:rolleyes:
 
Let's stay on topic and not start yet another illegal immigration thread.

Also, remember that live links from here to DU only attract more trolls.
 
I have been on DU for about two years under another handle. I keep my nose clean, count to ten a lot and couch my responses in ways that do NOT bring out my libertarian side. I still make some good points and there is a modicum of moderate support overthere as well. Some real wack jobs too!

There is a forum over there called "guns" about the politics of gun control and quite a few pro RKBAers on it. Some of which are members here as well.
 
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When comapring crime statistics, its important to remember this-

Population density

You know... as a former Canadian I will say that I can personally attest to the fact that Canada has some enormous social problems. There is no question of this. Particularly in light of all the infernal restrictions and safeguards imposed upon the citizenry in order to "protect" them.

If indeed the overall crime rate is in fact higher, the violent crime rate in Canada is assuredly lower than it is in the United States.

Still, it is unquestionably high.

The question of course is why???

One cannot argue that it is a "soft on crime" approach, because, despite all the rhetoric, Canada is among the upper eschelon internationally in sentencing and the use of incarceration for criminal offenses.

One cannot argue poverty, homelessness, etc. the way is done in the United States... because Canada prides itself on its comprehensive system of social welfare (read enforced distribution of wealth) that ensures that its citizens are not left to sleep under bridges out of neccessity.

One cannot argue poor education, because Canada has, overall, a near astonishing quality and availability of public education.

One cannot conclusively argue (in either direction) population density, because Canada's population of 33 million is actually much more densely concentrated than that of the United States (6.8/sq mile urban vs. 3.1/sq. mile urban). Yes, Canada is a much larger country with many fewer people, but unlike the United States, Canada's citizens live predominantly within approximately two hundred miles of their southern border.

One cannot argue, as they do in the United States, that it is the callous and selfish nature of the citizenry that leads to demonstrations of inhumanity, as Canadians tend to believe quite strongly in caring for their underclasses as a measure toward the long-term health of their society. Canada has had a system of universal healthcare in place since approximately 1969 which ensures that all citizens receive equal (if equally deficient) health services at no cost out of pocket (other than the utterly absurd taxation shouldered by those who choose to sustain themselves through gainful employment). In addition, there are myriad benefits available in the way of unemployment insurance, maternity benefits (from the government, not the employer), family allowances (paid per child), etc., etc.

And still... we produce some of the finest misfits available to society. From juvenile car thieves to child pornographers to prostitute shredding pig farmers.

I have to tell you all... when I see Hillary Clinton pitching her universal healthcare plan on television, I begin to tic :scrutiny:
 
Toronto Speaks

In the nineteen sixties, Toronto, then a city about the size of Boston, had two police radio dispatch frequencies. They were so quiet most of the time, I thought my scanner was broken.

Then, Liberal Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau opened the immigration gates. Within a few years, thousands of single women came to Toronto from Jamaica--and stayed--as cleaning ladies. As landed immigrants, they sent for their children. Occasionally, they sent for the children's fathers.

Whereas in Jamaica the children were supervised by other adults, and risked caning in schools, in Toronto, the children lived in unsupervised subsidized highrises and went to school where they could not be disciplined in a way they would understand. Teachers were instructed to accept the "different" behaviour standards of these children. One social worker told me, "In Jamaica, it's normal for children to carry knives, and we must be sensitive to their culture."

Next the Liberal and Socialist governments of Ontario liberalized the welfare laws. Be fruitful and multiply. We'll give you an apartment. We'll give you furniture, we'll give you a crib. We'll give you more cribs. Have a steady stream of men living in your apartment, we don't care.

I can remember, in the eighties and early nineties, at one time a dozen Jamaican girls, some born in Canada, coming to school to show off their babies. Well, these babies grew up. And now they're shooting themselves in the streets in gang, drug and revenge crimes.

As you know, in Canada, I can own a handgun, after taking courses and practical and written tests, and registering the gun. But I can load it only at an approved range. I have to transport it double locked.

But hundreds of these wild Canadian-Jamaican kids prowl Toronto's streets with unregistered, concealed, loaded handguns. Fortunately (for want of a better word) they are shooting only each other, except for the occasional innocent child who gets in the way.

So, how does the Canadian government respond? They let the kids off with minimum sentences. Legal aid pays for the kids lawyers.

Then, as you all know, they spend two billion dollars on a long gun registry.

Now, with dozens of Jamaican young men shot dead and a few bystanders shot dead in the streets by kids with illegal handguns, one Ontario MP wants to ban handgun ammo.

Toronto now has over one dozen police patrol frequencies and they're busy almost all the time. In some areas it sounds like The Bronx in the seventies.

This year, the number shootings has dropped significantly. Not because of the gun registry, but because the police are knocking down more doors, getting better intelligence from the community, better cooperation from crown (district equiv.) attorneys. A Guns and Gangs unit and a special provincially funded unit is getting good results.

I don't have the expertise to argue for or against the statistics. I can only tell you my observations here in Toronto.

(And I'm not just critical of Jamaican gangs. We have Chinese, Vietnamese, Russian, Nigerian, Somalian, Israeli and other gangs, too. And don't get a "Canadian" started on the Native "problem".)

So, crime is certainly up in Canada. But its' way up in a few isolated areas that had little or no crime before.

Still, it's a safe, clean city with everything you'd want to do, great restaurants. Just stay away from a few areas--which you wouldn't go to anyway.
 
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Lived in the USA for 7 years... the violence I have seen here is nothing compared to what I saw growing up and living in Canada...

I believe it...

Think the MSM is bad in the USA, check out the Canadian MSM...
 
I wasn't able to read the whole thread, but I want to point something out.

The way Canada measures violent crime includes more types of crimes than the US count - specifically lower level assault crimes, IIRC. This increases the 'amount of violence' past the US.

So, this alone probably isn't the best thing for antis who know Canadian crime counting procedure. If you were to compare the rates and exclude the US cities with gun bans and strict regulation from the US count of violent crimes, that might be more effective. After all, those cities don't allow guns for citizens.

CR
 
I had an unexpected opportunity to spend an evening with a Canadian provincial cop last year. Nice fellow.

At one point during our conversation comparing jobs he told me that violent assaults involving knives had increased over 400% in his province during the past year.
 
Not to dispute or support any particular view per se, but I will say this, the typical pattern of pro and anti-gun groups has been to claim the statistics prove their points when the stats are in favor of their points, and to claim the statistics are biased, irrelevant, or invalid when they don't.
 
At one point during our conversation comparing jobs he told me that violent assaults involving knives had increased over 400% in his province during the past year.


Back home Canadian Tire dumps rifles and shotguns from their inventory, however they did keep machete's in the inventory... guess what the favourite tool of the drug dealers back home was ;)
 
Machetes are cool. Walmart sells them for like 7 bucks, a bit bendy, but still, pretty sweet for 7 bucks out the door.

Anyway, in Niagara there was quite a few slummy areas, but it wasnt too bad. Still, Canada does seem like a utopia on the surface, even when you go there. I guess in Canada they're much less fearful, it reminds me of USA pre-911. It's nice, I could maybe see myself living there someday, but I'd like to experience all of USA has to offer (aka not CT) before passing a complete judgement.

Stuff in Canada is expensive now, since the Canadian dollar and US dollar are basically the same. So like sodas cost like 2 bucks a can and stuff.
 
You get a select group of people in our country (LIBERALS) mostly from Southern Ontario (TORONTO) who have a sad habit of patting themselves on the back and telling themselves how wonderful they are. They also magnify this feeling that they have by telling each other how awful Americans are and how any bad things that come out of Canada can without question be traced back to the US. Unfortunately when the US or the rest of the world hears any opinions from "Canadians" it is always from some useless Liberal from Toronto and the dribble that comes out of his or her mouth is than perceived to be the average Canadians opinion.

But to be fair, we always have to put up with allot of disinformation also, the US media and half the population thought and possibly still think (after being told a half dozen times) that the 9/11 terrorists snuck in from Canada instead of the fact that they were legally in the US and actually trained in the US and I still remember when the Eastern US blackout occured a couple of years ago no later than half an hour after it happened the than mayor Bloomberg of NY was telling the world at his press conference that he had "Very Reliable" information that Canada was at fault and caused the blackout when in reality it was eventually proven that an Ohio company caused it.
 
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