Canadian firearms prices vs. US

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Thad

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I originally posted this on a thread asking about the XD and its performance. I reposted it because it became a new topic. All firearms have always been more $ up North, but the difference seems to be way more than just the currency difference. Tax is 13% here in BC.


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Holy crap, $800 CDN? Yikes, plus all the GST and PST crap. Prices a few hours South of you are much less. Do you have handgun markup tax or something?

Oh man, you know after talking to a lot of members here and hearing about your prices in the US we have it a lot worse than I intially thought. Forget the stupid laws, the prices are a few hundred dollars more. xpun8- I have no idea about a mark up tax, but I will now investigate and let you know. I think it is just the price we pay for being in Canada. I have now looked in three different gun shops Victoria: $800, Vancouver: $779, Edmonton: $750
The only problem with the $750 one is they make you mail it away if you have a warranty issue. Where as the other two take care of all that till it is fixed. I still do not know if I want it in .40 or 9mm? Like I said before I already own both calibers. Oh one last thing xspun8, and all who suggest I rent one, you cannot rent any firearms here no one does it. You want to shoot something you have to know a owner or bump in to a friendly fellow member at the range who will let you have a pull.
 
Sorry the XD price is so hight. On the positive side, aren't there alot of cheap Norinco options in Canada? I think I saw a Canadian web site that sells Norinco versions of 1911's, SIG p226's and CZ-75's. They were all cheaply priced. You can't get those in the US now.
-David
 
MD Willington,

I am a member at Victoria Fish & Game. I was just in Campbell River on saturday at Granlund!!!

cookedjr,

Yes Norinco`s are readily available but I would never purchase one. Very poorly put together. No thank you.
 
You could always come down to Wade's in Seattle to rent any gun you like. They have quite a selection, except no Beretta.
 
cookedjr,

Yes Norinco`s are readily available but I would never purchase one. Very poorly put together. No thank you.


Thad, sorry they aren't to your liking. The only reason I suggested them is I hear Norinco makes excellent basic 1911's. I just assumed their other guns were ok. Hope you can find something you like at a reasonable price. Good luck.
-David
 
I will have the XD 9MM in my hands by thursday, thank you all again.
Carl is doing great, always busy. He let me handle a new Steyr .50mm. Oh man super cool.$5500.00Damnnnnnnnnnn!
 
I guess the only thing you got on you guys is out Norinco M-305's for under $500...and all the other stuff you guys can't import anymore.
 
I got it for $730(CND). Hey I am happy. I was told by a few dealers that it is all the permits for the firearms from the USA to Canada that raises the prices through the rooof.
 
Yes MD Willington, thank you for looking up the correct currency, I knew people would say that the US dollar is much stronger. I will ask about the Saiga for you.
 
Norinco is very well put together, I have never had a problem with either of mine. So many people are ready to bash them, and they're always the ones that don't own them.

I have a commander 1911 and a tokarev.

Anyways, yea prices are ****ing dumb up here. I have yet to buy a handgun at ANY of the local dealers in my city. They charge quite a bit... The best prices I've seen are through marstar or through wolverinesupplies. Thats where I go for my handguns, although its not a huge difference from the store, its enough to make me not want to goto a local store.

I'm looking at the G.I. springfield and its 700$ up here, I see people in the states getting it for quite a bit less...
I think its just becuase of all the labor it takes for our government to bring them in. I'm sure there are royalties of some sort to be paid at the border, not to mention all guns have to be registered etc.

Look at it this way, at least we can have guns, I would hate to have the same restrictions as some of the other countries out there.
 
I'm not bashing the Norc's...

I'm just saying you can get them in Canada...

I'd love to have a Norc 1911 for farting around on the farm...


As far as restrictions go.. some of the Canadian guns laws are actually a bit easier than here in the USA... short barell shotguns etcetera no tax stamp in Canada, also importation of firearms with all foreign parts as opposed to here, where you have to have 10 or less...

Every country is different and those are the rules you have to play by... otherwise I'd have a Saiga-M in Krink configuration... the same way you get them in France.
 
All Norinco`s I have seen have been undesireable. No offense to owners of them. So many people do bash them, so I do not want to buy one then find out it is no good. I was recently interested in one locally when asking around so many said do not do it.
 
For the price you should know what your getting into anyways. These guns are usualy 1/3 the price of a made in usa alternative.

The way I saw it, was when I bought my commander it was money lost. I realized that this gun might be complete **** and I took the 300$ chance, so even if it was I wouldn't be disappointed.
I am not disappointed ;)
 
im sorry but i thought you could nt owen firearms in canada
There is many intricate details that would take a long time to go over, but in general canadians have less rights in ownership, more restrictions, and usualy in practice far less rights to self defense even with ownership. Firearm storage laws are strict and All firearms must be stored unloaded which means defending yourself means you took time to load the firearm which can be used to show you may have been able to escape or do something else. If the firearm was loaded when you picked it up and defended yourself then you were illegaly storing the firearm. They must also be rendered incapable of being fired:
Non-restricted firearms must be rendered unable to be fired by one of the following measures:

using a secure locking device
removing the bolt or bolt carrier
locking in a sturdy, secure container or room that cannot be easily broken open or into
In addition, the non-restricted firearms must be in a place where ammunition for the firearm is not easy to obtain. Ammunition may be stored with the firearm if it is securely locked in a sturdy container that cannot be easily broken open or into (the firarms can also be stored in such a container with the ammunition).
The only exception listed is :
An exception is made for non-restricted firearms being used for predator control in areas where it is legal to discharge a firearm. An unloaded firearm used for predator control can be temporarily stored unlocked and out in the open if the firearms can be discharged at that location without breaking a law.
Notice if discharging the firearm would not be breaking the law in that location. That means technicaly the right to self defense with a firearm in all but the most remote locations is an impracticality under the law. To be readily available for self defense one must be breaking the law in storage.
Those are the laws regarding "unrestricted" firearms (haha) for restricted and prohibted classes such as all handguns the laws are even more strict.
So self defense with a firearm unless you are LEO will usualy result in prosecution in Canada.



The main difference, which unconstitutional laws within the USA have clouded in understanding for US citizens is that the USA has the second amendment and a system where unconstitutional rulings can be overturned. In Canada it is majority rule, and a right or law in regards to firearms can readily be taken away at a moment's notice if the parliment decides.
This is the difference between absolute democracy, as in Canada, and representative democracy with absolute rights provided by the constitution, and specificly the first 10 amendments in the USA. A mere majority of over 50% is not supposed to be able to remove any right in the US. In Canada anything 50%+ of officials vote on can become law. Technicaly the Bill of Rights is supposed to be sacred and unchanging, but through interpretation the SCOTUS can change it even though they took and oath to adhere to it and are supposed to make decisions based on thier real understanding of it, not on what they feel it should mean.

Now in practice the US has been allowing itself to slip away from the constitution (because congress and states are passing laws contrary to the constitution), but legaly that is the primary difference, and because of that passage of restrictions is much harder in the USA because they know that if they do too much the SCOTUS can overturn and set a precedence to undo gun laws. However the opposite side is that if such restrictions are passed and the SCOTUS rules in favor of them, gun rights are permanently tarnished, so both sides are very cautious in the passage of legislation that could set a precedence in favor of the other side unless the bench is currently held by people they are confident will interprete in thier favor.

http://panda.com/canadaguns/ was a good reference I found for general understanding of firearm laws for Canada.

In law Canadians have no RIGHT to firearm ownership, merely the privelidge of what the government decides is allowed through majority rule. In America it is an obsolute right that shall not be infringed and so is not legaly supposed to be capable of being legislated away. In practice though the right has been turned into a privelidge even in the USA through the necessity of compliance of regulations unconstitutionaly imposed on ownership.
So there is in most educated people's understanding a major difference, as there is supposed to be via the second, but in practice the difference is not as great.

In practical terms though many firearms are far easier to own and use in the united states with the exception of a few. Capacity limitations for example are also much more restrictive in canada and there is more laws pertaining to the firing mechanism. Just browse the long list of restrictions in the link I provided.

I think the most important difference is that the right to self defense with a firearm in Canada is all but null and void through the intricate details of the law. So in America the second was specificly created for the right pertaining to personal and community self defense by individuals, and the entire purpose for firearm ownership protection through the 2nd amendment is to that end. While sport use of them in recreation, and in hunting is just an additional bonus. In Canada the privelidge is granted for hunting and sport use, and never is intended for defense against other human beings.
 
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I read a post on the Sig forum from a Canadian member that a regular DA/SA Sig P229 costs around $1300. :what: :eek:
Too bad I can't sell all my guns in Canada and then use the money to double my collection :D
 
There is an exception to self defense with a firearm in which you will not be charged. If the assailant has a firearm him/her self. I've never heard of anyone getting charged defending themselves witht heir own weapons when they were attacked with a gun as well.
 
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