bikerdoc
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Yep, thats true. Even my homemade canes, that just look like plain homemade cane get more compliments than scrutiny.
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Yep, thats true. Even my homemade canes, that just look like plain homemade cane get more compliments than scrutiny.
Carl Levitian
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[I picked up an inexpensive cane last night on flea-bay. Made out of hawthorn and 1 1/4" at the top tapering to 1" at the bottom. $16.00 plus shipping. I may move up to blackthorn in the future when I find one that I like.
I could have used it last night. I sat down for about an hour and a half and could barely walk when I got up. Gettin' old isn't for the faint of heart.]
Hawthorn is tough stuff, makes a pretty good cane. And you're right about the gettin old thing!
I could have used it last night. I sat down for about an hour and a half and could barely walk when I got up. Gettin' old isn't for the faint of heart.]
Hawthorn is tough stuff, makes a pretty good cane. And you're right about the gettin old thing!
vegasrandall
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I've got the cold steel red oak cane with the brass ball.I put a lee valley tools walking staff tip on it.it ha a carbide tip for non skid and poking things.with the addition of a sling you have a tool that will throw a egg sized rock 100 yards
Mike U.
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I injured my back at work in 1995. It never healed and a host of docs told me there's nothing I can do but "manage" the pain. As a result, I need a cane or walking stick from time to time. Here are a few I've amassed over the years.
From L to R:
1. Maple
2. Blonde form of African Ebony (carved head cane)
3. can't recall
4. African Raisin Wood
5. Some Chinese hardwood (unknown)
6. Poison Sumac
7 & 8. A pair made from Rattan (I have about half a dozen of these. VERY tough stuff)
9. The last one is from Germany and I cannot recall the wood. IIRC, it starts with a "W".
From L to R:
1. Maple
2. Blonde form of African Ebony (carved head cane)
3. can't recall
4. African Raisin Wood
5. Some Chinese hardwood (unknown)
6. Poison Sumac
7 & 8. A pair made from Rattan (I have about half a dozen of these. VERY tough stuff)
9. The last one is from Germany and I cannot recall the wood. IIRC, it starts with a "W".
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Deltaboy1984
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Nice Collection !
Phydeaux642
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Are there any good videos available on defensive moves for the cane? I really don't want to wade through all of the junk on Youtube but I would be willing to purchase a good DVD if one was recommended.
Carl Levitian
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If there are, I've never seen one. Mostly the couple times things looked dicy, I just fell back to the old pugil stick training we had in the army. The shaft of the stick is useful for blocking, and the root knob (Butt end) is used for a butt stroke to the face. Strait thrusts with the foot end (muzzel or bayonet end) is used for strait in lunges tot he throat and stomach. In the 1960's, we got periodic traing in riot baton use, maybe due the civil unrest of the period.
Back then, most of our training was based on John Styers and Col. rex Applegate.
You may do better to find a martial arts studio that teaches cane techniques. Too much junk on Y-tube.
Back then, most of our training was based on John Styers and Col. rex Applegate.
You may do better to find a martial arts studio that teaches cane techniques. Too much junk on Y-tube.
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Deltaboy1984
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Yep, canemasters.
stickwhistler
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The short video below uses adapted bayonet techniques
and is IMHO as good as you will find.
It uses gross motor movements, which are basic and effective,
because when the adrenalin hits - (fight or flight stuff) - finesse goes out of the window.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f3lvBY8y7Q
Below are some more videos using canes
http://www.youtube.com/results?sear...f+defense&search=related&v=O0MC3ueFXbQ&page=3
Hope you find something that you like, and as always, what ever works for you on a personal level - do that.
and is IMHO as good as you will find.
It uses gross motor movements, which are basic and effective,
because when the adrenalin hits - (fight or flight stuff) - finesse goes out of the window.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f3lvBY8y7Q
Below are some more videos using canes
http://www.youtube.com/results?sear...f+defense&search=related&v=O0MC3ueFXbQ&page=3
Hope you find something that you like, and as always, what ever works for you on a personal level - do that.
bikerdoc
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Im with Carl on falling back on the bayonet training.
Got some tune up moves from a local M/A studio Suited just for me and my particular infirmity.
Got some tune up moves from a local M/A studio Suited just for me and my particular infirmity.
Carl Levitian
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I watched a few of those canesmasters video's, and I don't know.
I admit I'm not martial artist, just an old GI and ex cop, but I don't like the idea of swinging the handle end of a crook top cane toward the enemy. A seconds miscallculation or something, and you've given the enemy a nice handle to hang onto vs your smooth shaft. And I don't believe in letting go of the stick with one hand. I like the KISS principle. Both hands on the stick like it was a M14 with a bayonet on the muzzel. The only time we ever used a stick one handed, was the shorter "billy" club. Then it was still simple. Thrust to the soft, cut to the hard. They trained us that if the stick was no longer than the length from your elbow to thefinger tips, one hand was okay. If it was the longer riot stick, then it was two hands always. If an enemy grabbed the stick, then thats what combat boots and headbutts are for.
I think all that twirling around and flashy moves are okay for a MA studio, but in real life out on the street, at the close range street encounters are at, keep it simple and effective. I don't want to "hook" anyone, or take them down, I just want to hurt them or damage them enough so I can go on my way. If I am going to do any swinging, it's going low so I can take out a knee. That way I may be able to outrun them.
I admit I'm not martial artist, just an old GI and ex cop, but I don't like the idea of swinging the handle end of a crook top cane toward the enemy. A seconds miscallculation or something, and you've given the enemy a nice handle to hang onto vs your smooth shaft. And I don't believe in letting go of the stick with one hand. I like the KISS principle. Both hands on the stick like it was a M14 with a bayonet on the muzzel. The only time we ever used a stick one handed, was the shorter "billy" club. Then it was still simple. Thrust to the soft, cut to the hard. They trained us that if the stick was no longer than the length from your elbow to thefinger tips, one hand was okay. If it was the longer riot stick, then it was two hands always. If an enemy grabbed the stick, then thats what combat boots and headbutts are for.
I think all that twirling around and flashy moves are okay for a MA studio, but in real life out on the street, at the close range street encounters are at, keep it simple and effective. I don't want to "hook" anyone, or take them down, I just want to hurt them or damage them enough so I can go on my way. If I am going to do any swinging, it's going low so I can take out a knee. That way I may be able to outrun them.
Carl Levitian
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[M-14? Your showing your age Carl.
But I do agree the very simple bayonet drill should work well. Even after 20 years or so its still easy to remember.]
Hey Todd, there were still a few Garrands in the arms room when I went through boot camp!
All kidding aside, I think that's the beauty of the military training; it stays with you forever. They drill it into you so deep, that it comes back all on it's own when something happened. Like an auto pilot coming on by itself in an emergency. I'd been out of the army almost 30 years when I walked out of the store and had a couple punks try to roll me. I don't remember any thinking at all, just afterward my wife asked me what that was, and all I could tell her was "Ft. Dix basic training". Of course a little of C.L.E.T.A. (Colorado Law Enforcement Training Acadamy) mixed in with it.
A stick is a nice thing to have.
But I do agree the very simple bayonet drill should work well. Even after 20 years or so its still easy to remember.]
Hey Todd, there were still a few Garrands in the arms room when I went through boot camp!
All kidding aside, I think that's the beauty of the military training; it stays with you forever. They drill it into you so deep, that it comes back all on it's own when something happened. Like an auto pilot coming on by itself in an emergency. I'd been out of the army almost 30 years when I walked out of the store and had a couple punks try to roll me. I don't remember any thinking at all, just afterward my wife asked me what that was, and all I could tell her was "Ft. Dix basic training". Of course a little of C.L.E.T.A. (Colorado Law Enforcement Training Acadamy) mixed in with it.
A stick is a nice thing to have.
Phydeaux642
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Carl, I think your approach is a good one. Some of the short videos I've watched are way over the top or just plain funny. A simple approach is easy to remember and probably just as effective.
Canemasters is allright, but there was an entire school of stick fighting, schools and matches going on in Ireland way before the civil war. Almost all of this was written up in books and is still available in The US library system. In close it is devastating and made the Irish blackthorn respected around the world. Second place to try is Thai single stick. Third is the philipine version using two sticks, I believe it is called Escrima. My grandfather was Irish and when alive he taught all his kin how to take down a man with a knife or club. An English swagger stick has more than one use.
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Carl Levitian
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[Canemasters is allright, but there was an entire school of stick fighting, schools and matches going on in Ireland way before the civil war. Almost all of this was written up in books and is still available in The US library system. In close it is devastating and made the Irish blackthorn respected around the world. Second place to try is Thai single stick. Third is the philipine version using two sticks, I believe it is called Escrima. My grandfather was Irish and when alive he taught all his kin how to take down a man with a knife or club. An English swagger stick has more than one use.
blindhari]
Yeah! What he said!!!
Actually the English invasion of Ireland in the late 1500's resulted in a form of stick fighting. Use of the Bata. By 1600 less than 10% of Ireland was left in Irish Catholic hands. The ruling English were so Draconian, that to modern day to curse a person in Ireland is to say to them "May the curse of Cromwell be on you." It was a very black time. Laws were passed by the now ruling English against Irishmen owning any kind of weapon. Muskets, swords, knives other than simple clasp knives, such as dirks and daggers. Sounds a little familair.
Anyways, Irishmen being normal human beings and resentful of their English landlords and masters, didn't feel like going totally unarmed. So the just made the shaft of the shalaliegh a bit longer and made walking sticks out of the blackthorn. In those days most men carried a stick of some sort. Techniques were developed for the use of the bata, and father and uncle passed the training down to the next generation. The blackthorn was capable of parrying a rapier blade and the resulting blow or thrust counter attack could disable an attacker. Of course, after the attacker was disabled, if he chose to beat them over the head to make one less of Cromwells minnions in the world, that was okay. Many an occupying Englishman was found with his skull caved in. Death from blunt force truma was just as deadly in 1600 as now. The blackthorn became the daily companion of the common Irishman. It was the weapon in plain sight. As it evolved, there were staged contest fights at county fairs to see who was the better man with a bata.
The blackthorn is actually a medium brown, but the traditional way of curring a blackthorn was once cut, it was burried in a peat bog for some months to age. This turned it black, and to this day, they paint a blackthorn stick black, even though they may be air curred or kiln dried.
The blackthorn was a weapon born out of dire need to defend oneself in an era when other more effective weapons like guns and swords were banned from ownership. Sound a little familiar?
blindhari]
Yeah! What he said!!!
Actually the English invasion of Ireland in the late 1500's resulted in a form of stick fighting. Use of the Bata. By 1600 less than 10% of Ireland was left in Irish Catholic hands. The ruling English were so Draconian, that to modern day to curse a person in Ireland is to say to them "May the curse of Cromwell be on you." It was a very black time. Laws were passed by the now ruling English against Irishmen owning any kind of weapon. Muskets, swords, knives other than simple clasp knives, such as dirks and daggers. Sounds a little familair.
Anyways, Irishmen being normal human beings and resentful of their English landlords and masters, didn't feel like going totally unarmed. So the just made the shaft of the shalaliegh a bit longer and made walking sticks out of the blackthorn. In those days most men carried a stick of some sort. Techniques were developed for the use of the bata, and father and uncle passed the training down to the next generation. The blackthorn was capable of parrying a rapier blade and the resulting blow or thrust counter attack could disable an attacker. Of course, after the attacker was disabled, if he chose to beat them over the head to make one less of Cromwells minnions in the world, that was okay. Many an occupying Englishman was found with his skull caved in. Death from blunt force truma was just as deadly in 1600 as now. The blackthorn became the daily companion of the common Irishman. It was the weapon in plain sight. As it evolved, there were staged contest fights at county fairs to see who was the better man with a bata.
The blackthorn is actually a medium brown, but the traditional way of curring a blackthorn was once cut, it was burried in a peat bog for some months to age. This turned it black, and to this day, they paint a blackthorn stick black, even though they may be air curred or kiln dried.
The blackthorn was a weapon born out of dire need to defend oneself in an era when other more effective weapons like guns and swords were banned from ownership. Sound a little familiar?
bikerdoc
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Kinda reminds me of the monty Python self-defense episode. "A POINTED STICK???"
Here's mine. All the twists and curves are natural. The two staves are crape myrtle. The cane with the top piece is unknown wood type found in woods and the other is pear.
Here's mine. All the twists and curves are natural. The two staves are crape myrtle. The cane with the top piece is unknown wood type found in woods and the other is pear.
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Deltaboy1984
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Nice!!!
I have, on many occasions, pondered moving to a new area where nobody knows me and faking a limp and carrying a cane as a regular lifestyle.. I know it is silly, but I am extremely close to doing it... i guess I could fake an injury or something but then I would just have to build on that lie...giving and taking I guess.. I would never be without a weapon to defend myself, but then again, I would look like an easier victim....
LOL PT1911! I made the twisty one after i messed up my knee running. I was hobbling for a couple of months. If you're not hurt, you can just do the "pimp-step" instead and people will just think you're trying to be hip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_68tTS2VRcg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_68tTS2VRcg
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Na.. i would totally fake the limp to the best of my ability and work hard to keep it up all the time.. If I did, it would be all the way...make it a lifestyle... along with the concealed gun on my hip, I could be a complete surprise... I am about---------that close to doing it...and those are pretty damn nice btw... now if only one could mount a 22 barrel in the shaft and manufacture some sort of a trigger mechanism in the handle... What a piece of work that would be...
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now if only one could mount a 22 barrel in the shaft and manufacture some sort of a trigger mechanism in the handle... What a piece of work that would be
It would be an ILLEGAL piece of work, if not properly registered and tax-stamped.
The National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA 34): This law placed certain classes of firearms into a registered ownership category. Private individuals can possess a functional machine gun, silencer (suppressor), short-barreled rifle or shotgun, smooth-bore pistol, cane gun, or destructive device (certain shotguns, grenade launchers, hand grenades, bazookas, mortars, cannon, etc.) only after first paying a Federal Transfer Tax of either $5 or $200 per firearm/device. The $5 tax applies to pen guns, cane guns, smoothbore pistols, or any other such firearm that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms classifies as "Any Other Weapon" (AOW). All other functional guns or devices in the NFA registry require payment of a $200 federal tax for each private transfer. The tax is not an annual tax. It only is paid each time a functional NFA firearm is being transferred to or from a private owner (excepting inheritance). -- http://www.machinegunbroker.com/moreinfo.html
Note that the above is federal, whether or not they are legal in your state, I don't know.
lpl
It would be an ILLEGAL piece of work, if not properly registered and tax-stamped.
The National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA 34): This law placed certain classes of firearms into a registered ownership category. Private individuals can possess a functional machine gun, silencer (suppressor), short-barreled rifle or shotgun, smooth-bore pistol, cane gun, or destructive device (certain shotguns, grenade launchers, hand grenades, bazookas, mortars, cannon, etc.) only after first paying a Federal Transfer Tax of either $5 or $200 per firearm/device. The $5 tax applies to pen guns, cane guns, smoothbore pistols, or any other such firearm that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms classifies as "Any Other Weapon" (AOW). All other functional guns or devices in the NFA registry require payment of a $200 federal tax for each private transfer. The tax is not an annual tax. It only is paid each time a functional NFA firearm is being transferred to or from a private owner (excepting inheritance). -- http://www.machinegunbroker.com/moreinfo.html
Note that the above is federal, whether or not they are legal in your state, I don't know.
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