carjacking WWYD?

[cz75bdneos22]

say you Are travelling during the daytime to work. (2:45pm)..on the way, you have to pass a 5 city block area that is desolate and sparsely populated. while stopped at a red light intersection, your car is struck in the rear by a late model escalade. you exit your car to check for damage and obtain insurance information.(normal) when you notice the other driver steps out of his vehicle and tells you to get back in your car. you refuse, and tell him that you are calling the police. then you see that a passenger in the other car pulls out what looks to be a black semi-automatic handgun and point it at you. you are then told to back away from the car while the passenger of the escalade jumps into your vehicle and proceeds to drive away ..what would you do? comments/suggestions/advice.......you have no CHL. your loaded gun is in the car, but not accesible from where you stand .

 

[hso]

you have no CHL. your loaded gun is in the car, but not accesible from where you stand .

What are you going to do now that they've driven off with your car and gun other than call the cops and give them a detailed description? Look for witnesses, wait in a business for the LEO.

 

[crofrog]

Once the guy assumed an obvious offensive posture I'd get back in the car and call the police. If they get out of the car and try to start ????. I got a nice heavy weapon on my side.

Assuming that I had to get out of the car and I was in a bad neighborhood I'd carry my ????ing gun...

Chris

 

[rick_reno]

If you're not going to exit your vehicle with your loaded gun, then you better have your 1 gallon jug of SHTF mayonnaise with you. The jug with the handle works best in emergency situations. Quickly remove the cap, stick your arm into the jug up to your elbow and remove a handful of mayonnaise. Immediately spread the mayonnaise on your face and hope that the car jackers are so repulsed by what they're seeing that they leave you alone and look for saner pickings. You mght want to consider carrying your gun in your mayonnaise jug in the future and never, ever exit your car with it. The mayonnaise probably won't damage the gun.

 

[Twycross]

If things really have transpired exactly as the scenario describes, then you have nothing to do until the police arive. But frankly, anybody who would give up a new Escalade for an old, rolled Pathfinder is out of their mind.

Ideally, I would have a weapon, or if not, would just get back into my car and drive off. I'm willing to take my chances with evasive manuevers.

 

[chopinbloc]

rick, that was just golden!

what would you do?

you mean besides:
1. not driving through bad neighborhoods unless absolutely necessary.
2. putting myself at condition orange bordering on red when i do find it necessary to be in a bad neighborhood.
3. not getting out of a vehicle in what is statistically a common carjacking method.
4. not ever going ANYWHERE without at least one loaded handgun.

the proper way to deal with that situation, assuming you HAD to drive through the bad part of town would be to continue driving to a public place while calling the police on your cellphone to advise them your location and destination. then only get out in a very public place with lots of people and stay on the phone until the cops show up. it is a good idea to have the police non-emergency number memorized or preprogrammed into your phone.

if you were stupid enough to put yourself in the place that the scenario ends up at, the only thing you CAN do is run away and call the cops. be sure to tell them that you foolishly allowed your weapon to be stolen as well.

 

[DevLcL]

Yup, baddies been doin the same thing forever. Its your own fault if you got suckered.

If it happens again, use hand signals to direct the other driver to follow you to a more crowded area. If they don't stop its a hit & run. If you get even a partial plate number and a description (maybe you could find a witness for a solid case) you can put those ba?????? away.

-Dev

 

[cz75bdneos22]

couple of things....
where does it say it was a bad neighborhood/part of town.
where does it say evaluate my performance....
the location was just 1-2 miles from work...
route was same one taken for the last 12 years...
it was broad daylight in a familiar area...
i know what i would have done if it was me...
go over the scenario, add your .02 cents if it would have been you...
i'm just looking for additional insight as we all have our own ways we would have dealt with the facts as i've tried to describe them...
it happened to a 49 yr old female co-worker of mine...she's not been to thunder ranch either...
just a gal w/ a gun....thinking it would save her a@#$ in case of a personal SHTFscenario....
guess that changed her "perspective" (self-defense)...YMMV
lighten up, y'all...

 

[Sinsaba]

..on the way, you have to pass a 5 city block area that is desolate and sparsely populated. ...


..what would you do? comments/suggestions/advice.......you have no CHL. your loaded gun is in the car, but not accesible from where you stand .

After several responses (many saying how stupid it was to get out without the gun)

....
where does it say it was a bad neighborhood/part of town.
where does it say evaluate my performance....

Granted it is an assumption but when you say "5 city block area that is desolate and sparsely populated" you imply a bad part of town. What part of a city is "desolate and sparsely populated"? It might be the "city block" measurement that fooled people... usualy you measure city areas in city blocks.

The phrase "..what would you do? comments/suggestions/advice......." seems to invite evaluation of performance.

However, I must say that "you have no CHL. your loaded gun is in the car" does preclude getting out of the car with your gun (legally unless you have open carry and then it might be brandishing).

My $.02 = Stay in the car, lock the doors, call the police. As has been pointed out, this is a very well known method of carjacking.

 

[Rupestris]

This happened to a woman I used to work with.
A car in front of her came to a quick stop. the car behind her bumped the rear of her Mazda Miata to box her in. The passenger of one of the vehicles exited and made his way to her drivers door.

While perp was ordering her out of her car she got so scared she puked all over the steering wheel/dash/interior.

they wanted nothing to do with the car after that and left.

If I had my gun in the car, It would be on me before exiting.
If I didn't have a gun, I'd give 'em $20 for gas and ask that the car stay gone .
Kidding of course. But it is just a car and I have insurance.

If they're gone and I'm unharmed. I'd call the police, get home and change the locks on the house just in case they have found my address on something in the vehicle (now that they have my house keys as well ).

R

 

[mbs357]

I'd say "SORRY MAN HERE TAKE THE CAR GO AHEAD"
Hit the self destruct switch and run away giggling. >_>

 

[TamThompson]

I'll just point out that I have never seen a person in my demographic group driving an Escalade.

 

[chopinbloc]

If they're gone and I'm unharmed. I'd call the police, get home and change the locks on the house just in case they have found my address on something in the vehicle (now that they have my house keys as well ).

good point.

route was same one taken for the last 12 years...

i know many people will think it overly paranoid but one should not let oneself fall into routines. one should vary one's routes to the places that one HAS to go at a specific time (like work or school) and vary both routes and times for places that one can go any time they wish (like the grocery store or video store). now i'm not saying that you need to have a different, randomly generated roundabout route for every day but one should change things up a little as often as possible so as not to establish a routine. if someone does want to target you specifically, there's no reason you should make it easy for them.


cz75bdneos22, we're not purposefully being hard on you. i'm sorry if it sounds that way. but i don't think anyone here is likely to sugarcoat or change their evaluation of the situation just because some facts may be difficult to deal with. the fact is, your friend made several crucial mistakes that could have gotten her hurt or killed. you might want to have a talk with her about the value of training and mindset. refer her to the nra's refuse to be a victim program for starters. encourage her to get a chl. some people think of firearms almost as a sort of magic talisman to keep them out of trouble and you should remind her that she needs to be constantly vigilant and willing to fight for her right to live and not be assaulted. before the chl shows up, one should seriously think about breaking the law, even, if that's what's necessary to get through a situation unharmed. thankfully, it sounds like she was unhurt but the passenger could very well have gotten out and started shooting. just some food for thought. hope it helps.

 

[Kramer Krazy]

For me, they'd have a difficult time taking the car without any keys, as I always remove my car keys before I ever get out of the car (just a habit of mine), and.....after my little incident a couple of weeks ago, I pretty much always have my gun on me while in the car, now. I used to leave it in the glove box unless I got out of the car, but I realize that things can happen far faster than I originally thought that will prevent me from getting to it.

 

[Biker]

Well, since I don't have a car, only my Harley, I'd dismount while turning off the engine. She's a 1949 with high-compression pistons and other goodies *and kick start only*. She's hard to start if you don't know her.

I'd then sit on the curb and watch while Mr Jacker straight-legged the kicker and then laugh my tookas off as he began to howl in pain after she kicks back on him and tears all of the ligaments in his right knee. I might even consider taking his watch and wallet as he writhed on the ground before I rode off into the sunset.
Biker

 

[Pilot]

Getting out of your car in a bad neighborhood with homies coming at you from and Escalade is a bad ideas. I can see my wife doing he exact same thing though. Our reflex is to get out of the car to view the damage. I'll need to remind her of her training.

BTW. I see upscale, affluent women driving Escalades all the time along with H2's, Suburbans, Lexus SUV's, BMW M5's, etc.

 

[chopinbloc]

I might even consider taking his watch and wallet as he writhed on the ground before I rode off into the sunset.

outstanding! i heartily believe in stealing from someone who steals from me. if someone ever breaks into my house and they are smart enough to give up before i shoot them, i'm taking their shoes, socks and any cash they have before the cops show up. they won't be able to prove the cash is theirs and they'll have to spend the night in jail with bare feet.

 

[Biker]

outstanding! i heartily believe in stealing from someone who steals from me. if someone ever breaks into my house and they are smart enough to give up before i shoot them, i'm taking their shoes, socks and any cash they have before the cops show up. they won't be able to prove the cash is theirs and they'll have to spend the night in jail with bare feet.

Yuppers....Two eyes for an eye and two teefus for a toof.

Biker

 

[TallPine]

While perp was ordering her out of her car she got so scared she puked all over the steering wheel/dash/interior.

Learn something new everyday ... tactical puking

 

[Kramer Krazy]

Learn something new everyday ... tactical puking

This is something that is often told to women as a defense from being raped. When in college (Clemson University in South Carolina), I was a Resident Assistant and in charge of a dorm section on campus. We often gave classes, parties, fund raisers, and other functions with our residents. When there was a rash of rapes and assaults on campus, the housing office offered some courses on self-defense and protective tactics, of which one was to throw up on yourself, even if you had to stick your finger down your throat to make it happen. The reasoning behind this, as with the car example, is that most people will not want to rape a woman with puke all over her......it was also said to pee on yourself or do anything else that you could do to make yourself less attractive to your attacker.

 

[pauli]

given the situation outlined, i think i'd stand there for a moment asking myself, "what kind of halfwit jacks an 87 nissan pickup with no tailgate and major rust issues?"

then i would say to myself "you know, i guess i don't need to worry about the slipping clutch after all."

and then i would walk to this job i've mysteriously taken near this inexplicably shady area, and call the cops. i'm somewhat inconvenienced but safe, so there's nothing to get worried about.

 

[Hardware]

Having already been carjacked once, let them have the car. It is insured. I don't carry irreplaceable objects with me on generally and I don't drive through shady neighborhoods without a good reason. Call the cops, tell them everything that was in the car and contact the insurance company.

When I was carjacked my car was on empty, I had 4 dollars in my pocket which the 3 carjackers took. I immediately froze my credit and debit cards. I told the police that the revolver was too small to be a 38 and too large to be a 22 and I didn't recall there being any holes in the face of the cylinder. The MENSA members were arrested the next night driving around with no license, registration or insurance cards, still had my tags on the car. They tried to go through a sobriety checkpoint and had been rolling joints on the dashboard. The starter's pistol they robbed me with was under the driver's seat. I got the car back with no damage and a half tank of gas. They got $3000 dollars in restitution and a year in the pokey.

 

[IndianaDean]

If it's late at night, I'm not getting out of the car, or unlocking the door. I'm calling 911 first, keeping my weapon handy, but out of sight (no brandishing charge), and not moving until police units arrive.
And, I always have my car locked, even in the middle of the day in my neihgborhood.

 

[cz75bdneos22]

man, some great suggestions..keep em coming some i didn't even think about but make sense to me...as for me, in that same scenario..i would have kept on driving to work. it was only 1-2 miles further. if they followed me, there is a security guard at the entrance... we could make further arrengements then...where its safe..i don't have a CHL. i don't carry on my car either. but believe me if i had a CHL and was packing that day...someone would not be alive today...when the perp pointed the gun at me that was what i needed...either him or me, but someone is going to die that day...i pray that it will not be me...YMMV

 

[Hardtarget]

I read it twice. I think you're "toast". Best thing to do is make a run for it and give up the vehicle...and, next time, keep your gun on you.
Mark.