Carry permits as a revenue stream?

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Every piece of legislation goes through a committee to evaluate the financial impact. If carry permits are charged for and enough people are paying for them it becomes something the Finance Committees typically don't want to see go away.
 
Every piece of legislation goes through a committee to evaluate the financial impact. If carry permits are charged for and enough people are paying for them it becomes something the Finance Committees typically don't want to see go away.
So carry permits are like wedding licenses, car registrations, fishing licenses etc.? It has nothing to do with rights and responsibilities, just making money off the general public and special sub groups, like gun owners?
 
Those are the considerations for the Finance Committees. What monies do they ad and what do they take from the coffers of the government.

Never forget that the various Committees have their own focus and can influence what legislation gets out of Committee for a vote.
 
i didn't read the article, but the idea is the fundamental flaw of big money interests in general. It costs 1,000,000 to run, but brings in 100,000.... so money looser, but that 1 million comes from sales tax, and the 100,000 is just a bonus, so its a win for someone, and they get to spend it. At least in my state, where undefined revenue goes into the general fund AKA the governors re-election money (through program spending/vote solicitation.

this is the same principle that allowed GM to save $50,000 on ignition switches, pay out $800,000,000 in fines/lawsuits/reputation loss and the ignition switch program was still seen as a financial gain. Basically stupidity. But someone is attached to that revenue and they aren't responsible for the costs. CPL's in my state do not make the state money. Renewal's may, but so little to not matter. But the total does look impressive.
 
The original TX CHL law was set up so the program paid for itself. I think it actually brought in more money than it cost for awhile, so they changed things around to reduce the cost to the permit holders a little bit.
 
I am also in Texas and had a CHL for several years. I found real value in the process to get my CHL. Gave serious considerations to the pros and cons, went for it and feel like I am better for it. I did not find the states fee excessive. I studied it ahead of time and could have gotten the training for much less money (a couple hundred for the both of us) but again feel like I got my moneys worth.
 
Amateur radio license vanity callsigns used to cost $10 per application. A vanity callsign is similar to a vanity license plate except that no physical license is produced -- it's just the choice of the letters and numbers in the database. The FCC figured out that it actually cost them more to charge the ten dollars than it was earning. They made vanity callsign applications free and are saving money. Only a government bureaucracy can figure out how to spend more money than it receives to do nothing more than receive money.
 
Really, it's not that hard. If you have to pay an administrator total compensation of $100,000 to $150,000 a year (salary, medical, benefits, pension, etc.) to administer a license that brings in $100, and they process an average of five licenses per day for 250 working days, there's no meaningful profit there. Once you add the expense of their office space, computers, furniture and equipment, it's a money loser. If the volume of license applications is higher, it's probably also in a more urban area where salaries, benefits, and expenses are also higher. The only way to justify the expense of collecting small fees is with extreme volume (toll booths), or total automation. Automation itself has expenses for a bureaucracy. The contractors that supply the automation and the administrators that oversee the system could end up being more expensive than the clerks that do the process manually. So again, unless the number of applicants or the per-applicant fee is high enough, it won't pay off. Another way to cut costs would be to lower the administrative standard, such as with fishing licenses or duck stamps. But if you can get a CCW license out of a box of Cracker-Jack, nobody is going to see that as any kind of due diligence in pursuit of the most compelling stated objective of licensing, to ensure safety.

Where licensing can be a more substantial revenue stream is through prosecuting violations. For every guy that doesn't pay his permit tax and gets busted, there could easily be $10,000 or more in fines and court fees and a few thousand more for the local lawyers or public defenders either from the defendant or from the state. For a local agency, booking an inmate for just twenty-four hours and one minute could net them thousands of dollars more from the state budget. So if you take away the permit cards, not only is the revenue from the clerk's office lost, but also from enforcement operations. Even though it may be a net loss for the government, it can be a money-maker for the local agencies as they get more money from the state that will ultimately have to come from some other revenue stream.
 
So it is basically a shell game and the end loser is always the taxpayer, or in this case, gun owner. I live in now and did live in a Constitutional Carry state and can't imagine living any other way.
 
Try going to get a birth certificate or death certificate all they do is print it out & put a stamp on it, then charge you for each. I think last time I got one it was $10 per copy.
My lifetime carry license after it was all done cost me about $200 for a small piece of paper to put in my billfold that didn't last long enough for me to get it out.
I went without for a long time until recently I found they now issue a plastic card & It cost me another $20 to get it remade in plastic. LOL
 
While I live in a Constitutional Carry state, there are advantages to having a CCL. That is, I can legally carry in 39 other states (your state will vary). And buying another firearm doesn't require an NICS check, but of course the 4493 is still required.

@westernrover You may have missed the new FCC Report and Order. Amateur Radio licenses are $35 each, for all new licenses, renewals and vanity call signs. I just renewed this year, before the new fees were put in place. Not bragging - amazed. I never seem to avoid getting hit with price hikes.
 
It doesn't matter how much a permit costs, they are revenue streams to the department/agency that issues it. My permit costs $15 a year. That more than pays for the person doing my check as well as the materials to make the physical license. My first application in another state cost $15 just to get the form and over $175 to get it completed and submitted. Only to get it denied almost a year later. Multiple those fees by however many applicants and you have some spending money for that agency. Losing that revenue stream is why some pro-gun states do not go to constitutional carry, because police departments fight against it.
 
Governmental or fiscal pedants need read no further.:evil:

All *fees* are taxes.

All taxes are revenue.

Really comes down to whether or not the revenue is a profit or a loss and whether or not it is in support of a legitimate, requirement based, governmental service.



Todd.
 
Governmental or fiscal pedants need read no further.:evil:

All *fees* are taxes.

All taxes are revenue.

Really comes down to whether or not the revenue is a profit or a loss and whether or not it is in support of a legitimate, requirement based, governmental service.



Todd.
Can't help but notice the Apache County in your name. We have property just over the county line in Navajo County. In my heart Az is home, but I'm stuck in Ky for now.
 
Amateur radio license vanity callsigns used to cost $10 per application. A vanity callsign is similar to a vanity license plate except that no physical license is produced -- it's just the choice of the letters and numbers in the database. The FCC figured out that it actually cost them more to charge the ten dollars than it was earning. They made vanity callsign applications free and are saving money. Only a government bureaucracy can figure out how to spend more money than it receives to do nothing more than receive money.

Just passed at the end of 2020, it'll now cost you $35 to change your callsign, renew, and to "process" tech, general and or extra license. Guess they figured out where the making money point was! They haven't announced when it'll go into affect yet.
 
I have no doubt that the state of TN makes a major profit on their $10.00 TICS check on every FFL bought firearm in TN compared to the total cost of running that office. As soon as the revenue dept found out they could by pass the NICS check and create their own "pay to play" scam, they had to start wearing bibs because they couldn't keep the drool off their clothes over the excitement of screwing over TN gun owners.

Bill
 
I just checked and the state of TN made 4.84 million in 2019 from background checks on the purchase of FFL bought firearms. I can only guess what the state could make on universal checks.

Bill
 
My Florida CCW is issued by and overseen by the Department Of Agricultural. One assumes the same clerk who processes it or the same director who signs it has many different duties. It’s easy to obtain and not expensive to renew.
 
I have aCCW in Wi I got it when Walker was Gov. In Aug. Of this year it's up and I wonder if the 25.00 I paid will will still be in play under Evers!!
 
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