cast bullet load differences

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Between gas checked and plain lead bullets.
Any rule of thumb for adjustments using a plain lead bullet with loads originally written for gas checks?
 
Haven't seen anything in writing about charge differences in gas checked versus plain base cast bullets.

I wouln't think the added gas check would cause any pressure differences you could measure.

I've shot checked and non checked with the same powder charge weights.
 
Between gas checked and plain lead bullets.
Any rule of thumb for adjustments using a plain lead bullet with loads originally written for gas checks?

Not as far as published charge weights go. But of course, gas checked bullets can be driven faster.

Don
 
I'm beginning to shoot more and more cast bullets, so I've been looking through the Cast Boolits forum.
Haven't found anything about differences in loads, but have run across mention of better accuracy with gas checks.
I guess I should get serious about rounding up the gear to start casting my own.
 
across mention of better accuracy with gas checks.
Your mileage may vary on that right there.

Gas checks can help prevent leading in higher velocity rifle and Magnum handgun loads.

But I don't think you will see much positive difference in accuracy over a flat base lead bullet.
Sometimes it is worse because you are adding another variable to an otherwise pretty simple lead bullet.

rc
 
The Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook will answer many of your questions regarding cast bullets. Great investment.
 
I think RC model pretty much nailed the answer. Why don't you post the question on the Cast Boolit forum? I'll bet more than one person over there has played around and might have another perspective.
 
If the gas check stays on and is seated properly, you will probably have an accurate bullet.
It the GC is not seated square and/or if the GC flies off down range, you will start to get shotgun groups.
I prefer flat base bullets in all non-rifle cartridges. For Silhouette loads with my 7mm TCU, I used GCs due to pressure/velocity.
Never needed GCs for .44 magnum or .357, but those newer boomer cartridges may really need a GC if not a jacketed bullet.
 
Well I have only been pouring my own since back around May or so, but before hand I did at least 3 months or more, of reading up on it so I had some clue as to what NOT to do.

In amongst my research I was also concerned with whether to use a GC or not. My main goal was to produce some hunting boolits for my 454 which as you know runs a bit on the high side of pressure in most cases. This said I also have a 41 and 44 magnum as well as a 45 Colt and a couple of .357's thrown in for good measure. I am not cheap, but realized that getting them all to shoot GC boolits was going to add to my expanse.

In doing the research the reoccurring theme was proper alloy, fit, and lube. this said I saw where many were actually turning the GC portion of the mold off and simply going to a straight plain based boolit.

The GC serves two purposes, one it helps to protect the base when used with higher pressure loads, the other is to help seal off the bore where a slightly undersized boolit might be used. This said "undersized" should not be taken as grossly undersized, as in possibly using a boolit designed for a 9mm in say a 38 Spl. as the result would still be considerable leading even with the GC.

If you have slugged your barrel, and have a boolit which is roughly .0015 - .002 larger than the bore it should work fine within the limits of the alloy. If your using straight lead, then your obviously not going to be able to push them as hard as you would if using say Lyman #2 or similar. This said you can also have them too hard and get leading as well. Given a proper sized boolit however, with an alloy of around a 10 - 14 BHN, and a good lube like Carnuba Red or similar, you could/should be able to at least get up into the 1200fps range with standard PB boolits. Much faster than that however will depend on your powder choice and the firearm your shooting them from.

In my personal loads I have run some Oregon Trail PB's up to around 1350fps with no issues, but I haven't a clue what their exact alloy is or the exact hardness. One other thing to consider if you DO start pouring your own, they will grow slightly and get harder with time, similar to concrete. In other words, pour them and then wait at least a week or more for them to stabilize before sizing, and beginning to check for a standardized hardness of your alloy. Usually it is best to pour up your ingots, and check them, and maybe pour up a few from the batch to use as test samples.

With my straight WW alloy, I have only used the PB in a 230gr for my 45 ACP, but I do have a few hundred poured up for each of the above calibers ready to try out, I just haven't been able to manage the time to do it just yet. I concentrated my efforts on the Lee .452 - 300gr RF GC for the 454 to use while hunting this fall, and even though I have three loads which work fine as far as function and accuracy, I am still fiddling with getting them to just where I want them, while at the same time trying to work up a load for my new 45 Colt.

Like mentioned, give the folks at CB's a look, sa well as looking at the writings of Glen Fryxell over here at LASC,
Glen E. Fryxell, Cast bullets and firearm information and history
 
Never having developed an interest in casting my own bullets during my 46 years of reloading; it's time to pick up a book or two and plop myself into my chair and do some reading.
Trying to read a lot of long detailed stuff on a computer screen is something I just can't do.

Also got to start checking around and find out if any of the guys I know are actually casting their own.
It's just since the price of good jacketed bullets has gotten so high I've developed an interest.

I've picked up a few good points here and also from browsing around at the Cast Boolits forum.
One of the main points is that casting your own is a whole new ball game.
 
Any addition of Lymans Cast Bullet Handbook is helpful. However the very best manual to cover every aspect of casting bullets and shooting them is Cast Bullets For Beginner And Expert. A very small taste can be found at http://www.lasc.us/IndexBrennan.htm. In fact an gold mine of info can be found at http://www.lasc.us/.
Joe Brennan can be kind of caustic and opinionated but the man really does know the cast bullet art and science. His almost 500 page manual Cast Bullet for Beginner to Expert can be purchased at http://www.castbulletassoc.org/merch/index.php?crn=200. It actually has several contributors besides Joe. It's the best $30.00 you can spend if you seriously want to make cast bullets work very well.
 
In my exp as far as shooting gc with out a c as pressure rises accuraccy drops ,but restored after adding a c .

But to get to acceptable handgun fps range I use plain based boolits !

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