CCW at grocery store (Story, kind of funny)
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buck460XVR
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Mission accomplished, there you go, now you can say you did something productive with your day. Because after all, accusing random strangers of dishonesty is so high road. Bravo.. You're the MVP of these forums. Alot of covert Hillary voters around these days that only seem to show their face when they try to hijack someone else's thread
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I don't consider it a Thread Hijack just because someone does not agree with me. If all you want from starting a thread is for folks to pat you on the back and agree with you and your actions all the time, you need to rethink....and yes, I do not necessarily trust random posters on the internet, I do not know. Kinda why I get my reloading info from manuals and don't respond to suspicious e-mails. Just because I didn't think your response to the little old lady was cute/funny and appropriate, doesn't make me anti-gun. Just makes me anti-jerk. Your responses and attempts at personnel attacks towards me, just confirms my first impression.
Kleanbore sums it up well......
We as a gun community should promote gun ownership thru responsible behavior, not by smart-azz comments to little old ladies who out us because of improper CWC technique.
Yes I have and odds are so have you. What else do you say when you do not know someone's name and are trying to get their attention. I have it said to me daily in my line of work.......especially by little old ladies. No where did the OP say the little old lady was shouting. No where do we hear the old ladies' side of the story. Maybe it was just her way of trying to get the OP's attention and point out he was printing. We really don't know. The OP never attempted to find out, only to assume she was anti-gun....something he has done to me also. Seems to be a pattern here.
Around here it's excuse me sir/ma'am/miss or just the sir/ma'am/miss.
In some other places and times I have lived it may have been "hey", but "hey you" would pretty much always be seen as rude or demeaning. The "hey" by itself can be used in a friendly manner, amongst acquaintances, as a way to start a question or conversation, etc, so that alone you have to see/hear to judge. Add the you after it...that alone changes the tone
Vern Humphrey
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No, I haven't
You say, "Excuse me, Sir (or Ma'am)."
This pretty much sums it up, but I have noticed a different standard in different parts of the country.
Vern Humphrey
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Rewarding bad behavior is also neither becoming, justified, nor wise.
TimSr
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It's something I might have heard when I lived on the PA/Jersey border, but certainly not here where I was raised in Wayne Co. Ohio. I would consider it obnoxious and rude to be addressed that way by a stranger. Tone certainly adds or detracts from the amount of rudeness.
This thread immediately reminded me of lady who unknowingly lost a bag from the bottom of her shopping cart going through the parking lot. "Ma'am, ma'am, MA"AM , Excuse me!" That's how I was raised. "Hey YOU!" Nope.
But let's consider the rudeness of the question as well. Do you ask a perfect stranger what is under their clothing? EVER? "Hey you, what kind of bra is that? Are those real? I don't see lines, are you wearing panties? Are you pregnant?" Unless you're an airport TSA screener, for a complete stranger to ask about any bulge under your apparel is extremely rude.
It was rude and obnoxious if done quietly. It was extra super rude and obnoxious if she said it loudly in the presence of others.
I'm not in the habit of dignifying rudeness either, whether it be with a humorous indication of my displeasure or the direct approach of "Excuse me ma'am, but I find your addressing me in that manner, and your question to be extremely rude."
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Can't argue with that.
But responding in a manner unbecoming a lady or gentleman is poor form.
And should a third party become involved in an escalating confrontation, it could end tragically.
Those who cannot or will not govern their tongues should not carry weapons.
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One of the things I quickly realized when I started carrying not too long ago (I'm in Illinois) is that I have a responsibility to avoid confrontations and to defuse confrontational situations that do arise. I've seen too many arguments turn physical. You can respond rudely or angrily to the women the OP described, but think through whether it's worth having someone she's with or a bystander get upset with what you said to her and things escalating from there. I will never live in fear of others, but if I'm going to get into a confrontation while carrying it will be because I couldn't avoid it and for a good reason.
Edit: Kleenbore, I was typing while you posted. My comments are redundant.
Edit: Kleenbore, I was typing while you posted. My comments are redundant.
Absolutely.
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Now that right there is some of the best sense I've ever seen in print.
Mainsail
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Why would you tell a lie if you are carrying legally?
RetiredUSNChief
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Why would you give out potentially controvertial information to someone being deliberately antagonistic?
I understand what you're saying here, and it IS a good and valid point. But sometimes it's both none of their business and a sound tactical move in order to steer an encounter into safer/quieter waters.
The choice is yours to make, based on the actual encounter.
The only pattern here is that you accuse strangers of dishonesty, and then get upset when they don't reply with kind words (typical hypocrisy we see from the left..if anyone's first impression was confirmed, it was mine.). Either way, I've shared what I wanted to share and have nothing further to add.
AKElroy
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I think I would just politely state "Mam, I'm afraid that's my personal business. Can I help you with anything else?"
seeker_two
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Yeah.....but won't the police arrest you for false advertising for claiming to be perfect?.....
tark
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hard to believe the moderator hasn't chopped this thread off at the knees. Lots of opinions on correct behavior in public and not much on guns.
But it is interesting.....
I'm with Vern. He makes the most sense to me....
But it is interesting.....
I'm with Vern. He makes the most sense to me....
ADKWOODSMAN
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My wife a Northern New York life time resident and our daughters Manhattan mother-in-law were sitting on a bench outside a gas station waiting for other family members.
An acquaintance of my wife's drives up on his wheeler and goes into the store with a belt holstered pistol. Manhattan woman says in an alarmed whisper to my wife that he has a gun. Wife says get used to it.
Little does Manhattan woman know that I am always armed when we hike.
An acquaintance of my wife's drives up on his wheeler and goes into the store with a belt holstered pistol. Manhattan woman says in an alarmed whisper to my wife that he has a gun. Wife says get used to it.
Little does Manhattan woman know that I am always armed when we hike.
Resist Evil
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I have 63 years of age. I ignore any question I am not required to answer save for the law or matrimony. Based upon where I live, most residents are not like me and hate liberty as a concept. They do not deserve any modicum of my attention or respect. Conversion of their point of view is the very least of my concerns.
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Yep. Also hard to believe is so many folks demand automatic respect for the inept CWCer, but then show no respect and/or try to humiliate a little old lady.
No irony there......
Respect is a two way street, and it sure didn't sound like she showed any.
Yes it does - but you seem to have missed my point. She wasn't at all polite. People who are rude shouldn't be surprised when others don't respond well. Think "social justice warriors" for a minute.
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