CCW Goes to Kansas Governor Today

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S418 Goes to Kansas Governor Today! :D

Received from Senator Phil Journey this afternoon:

SB418 goes to the Governor's desk today. She has ten days to decide
whether to sign or veto it.

Please call or write her to politely ask her to allow the bill to
become law.

Senator Journey

Let's all think Positive and get those letters and phone calls going to the Governor!

Remember, BE NICE! :)
 
I wrote her a nice, respectful, email with logical arguments. I hope she signs the bill. It alls boils down to logic, doesn't it? :)
 
billwing, I'd like to think that in a state like Kansas, it all does boil down to logic.

Here in WI, though, it all just boiled down to pure partisan politics.

Let's hope than Kansas legislators are a better breed than we have here in Cheesehead country.
 
GOOD LUCK KANSAS! Keping my fingers crossed...

I too wrote a polite e-mail. Pointed out that I live in a shall-issue CCW state and that WE aren't having any problems.

If she does veto it, hopefully you'll have enough votes in the Legislature to override.
 
We;ll see if this K.C. Star editorial will do any good.

Posted on Fri, Mar. 17, 2006
Concealed carry in KansasWave a white flag, move to bigger issues
By BARBARA SHELLY
The Kansas City Star

A veto override makes a governor look bad, and pro-gun legislators might have the votes to override you on concealed carry. If they don’t this year, they’ll try next year.

To: Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius

Subject: Unsolicited advice

Dear Gov. Sebelius:

Don’t take a bullet on concealed carry.

This is more than a little strange, me telling a governor not to veto a bill allowing people to walk around with handguns in their pockets and purses. I don’t like guns and don’t care for groups that think it’s their God- and Constitution-given duty to defend irresponsible gun sales and oppose trigger-lock laws.

But there’s something else I don’t like: seeing good leaders squander political capital on concealed carry. It’s a principled stand but ultimately a loser. You can veto the bill, but sooner or later Kansans will legally pack hidden weapons. The advocates and the gun lobby won’t rest until they do.

I know this, because I live in Missouri, home of the first and probably the only statewide referendum on concealed carry. You may recall that in 1999, slightly more than half of us said we wanted it to remain unlawful. Four years later the Missouri legislature made it law anyway.

Some prominent Democrats were mortally wounded in the battle. Then-Gov. Bob Holden vetoed the legislation and watched members of his own party join Republicans to override the veto. Then-U.S. Sen. Jean Carnahan went skeet-shooting in the campaign season but never convinced gun-loving rural voters she was one of them. Some observers think Al Gore’s opposition to concealed carry cost him Missouri’s electoral vote in the 2000 election, when every state counted.

And you know what? It wasn’t worth it.

Like many city dwellers, I think packing guns in public places is bad policy. But I must agree with my gun-backing friends and correspondents that the sky hasn’t fallen since Missouri made it lawful.

You won’t get much help from statistics. Both sides use them to make their case and shoot down assertions made by the other side.

Missouri’s experience with concealed carry is too new to draw any conclusions, anyway. And it would be wrong to connect Kansas City’s spike in homicides last year with concealed carry by law-abiding citizens. Virtually all of the people charged with the murders had criminal records and couldn’t legally possess guns.

Sooner or later one of those worst-case scenarios we opponents imagined will become reality in a public way. A child will pull a loaded gun from a distracted dad’s pocket. A thief will wrestle a handgun from an intended victim. The result will be catastrophe.

But it will be the exception. And government can’t operate on a foundation of anecdotes, exceptions and rarely realized fears.

You, Gov. Sebelius, are in an elite but lonely club. Only four governors can say their states don’t allow concealed carry. But keeping up your membership is a heck of a lot of work.

A veto override makes a governor look bad, and pro-gun legislators might have the votes to override you on concealed carry. If they don’t this year, they’ll try next year. They’ll keep trying until they get it, because gun folks are more vociferous and tenacious about wanting concealed carry than opponents are about wanting to keep it banned. Plus, they’ve got deep pockets.

How much political capital will you expend on concealed carry? Might it not be better to get it out of the way and work on other things, such as boosting the Kansas economy, reaching an agreement on school financing and getting re-elected?

Some of my gun-fearing pals will say I’ve abandoned my principles. I prefer to think I’ve discovered pragmatism. Let’s off-load concealed carry and work on keeping college tuition affordable for immigrant students who are working on becoming U.S. citizens.

Besides, as we anti-gun Missourians can tell you, there’s more than one way to object to a policy. Given a choice, we favor businesses that prohibit concealed guns on their premises.

Just a little food for thought. You don’t have to like the concealed-carry bill. You don’t even have to sign it. Let it become law without your signature and save your ammunition for a winnable cause.

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Barbara Shelly is a member of the Editorial Board. To reach her, call (816) 234-4594 or send e-mail to [email protected].
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Man, that Shelly lady is a piece of work.

Besides, as we anti-gun Missourians can tell you, there’s more than one way to object to a policy. Given a choice, we favor businesses that prohibit concealed guns on their premises.

Great - I guess criminals won't dare step into a restaurant that has a sign posted. I guess reality doesn't penetrate very far with some people.
 
They’ll keep trying until they get it, because gun folks are more vociferous and tenacious about wanting concealed carry than opponents are about wanting to keep it banned. Plus, they’ve got deep pockets.

Leftist extremists are invariably sore losers—but at least they lose.
 
Wow. I kept highlighting and cutting various lines in that article....sheesh. she is very confused! She said some very good and logical things. Then turned right around and spit out the most knee-jerk emotional incorrect fear-mongering stuff! Absoluting amazing!

What I'm really hoping for is the Gov to let the bill pass into law....but then still loose her re-election bid this fall! Oh, that would just be so great!

But, while I'm not wishing KS any more drama, I almost would prefer to see a veto-over ride to ensure she doesn't get re-elected.

But, the author does have one thing right: KS will have CCW eventually. It took MO 130 years to get ours. We midwesterners are a patient bunch!
 
LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS NEEDED!

I just got word from Candy Ruff that we need as many Law Enforcement Officers as possible to call the Governor and tell her that they want CCW passed. The Chiefs of Police are telling the Governor that their officers will be in jeopardy if CCW passes.
 
She vetoed it

http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/politics/8170755/detail.html

Sebelius Vetoes Concealed Guns Bill

POSTED: 5:20 pm CST March 21, 2006
UPDATED: 6:02 pm CST March 21, 2006

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TOPEKA, Kan. -- Citing opposition from law enforcement and business leaders, Gov. Kathleen Sebelius vetoed a bill Tuesday to permit qualified Kansans to carry concealed guns.


Sebelius vetoed a similar bill in 2004, and has said repeatedly that she didn't believe the measure would make Kansas safer. She said in her veto message that Kansas' crime rate is lower than rates in states with concealed carry.


If Sebelius' veto stands, Kansas would remain one of four states that don't allow any residents to carry hidden guns.


"While every law-abiding Kansan has a right to keep and bear arms, hidden weapons make it harder for law enforcement to do its job, and they make Kansas' workplaces less safe," Sebelius wrote in her veto message. "Legislators know concealed weapons are a safety threat, which is why they ban them in their own workplace -- the Capitol."


Supporters need two-thirds majorities in both chambers to override a veto -- 27 of 40 votes in the Senate and 84 of 125 votes in the House. The votes to approve the final version of the bill were 90-33 in the House and 30-10 in the Senate.
 
someone in kansas needs to put out there that Gov. Sebelius, law enforcement, and business leaders just classifed regular law abiding citizens as people who can't be trusted with concealed weapons anymore than they trust criminals with hidden weapons.
 
A Democrat Governor, ESPECIALLY A WOMAN Democrat GOVERENOR will never pass a CHL bill. As an activist years ago I sent STACKS OF SIGNED PETITIONS and urged mass letter writing and calls to another Woman Governor Democrat in Texas....all for naught.

Some of you guys evidently don't understand Democrats YET. Yea, Republicans stink, but nothing compares with a Democrat.

You think you've got problems in Kansas? WAIT TIL 2008 when the nation goes Democrat!!!
 
I think they'll get it done by overriding her plus there won't many Dems in the legislature outside of the cities anxious to back her up; but this situation just goes to show that gun grabbin' back stabbin' Dems haven't learned their lesson about trying to take away and disallow a citizen's means of self defense.
 
It will be my extreme pleasure to vote this governor right out of office and send her back to Ohio. I also get the extreme pleasure of voting my local rino representative out of office, she also voted against the bill.

How this governor ever got elected is beyond me. I just moved to KS a year ago. Everyone I meet here has got way more guns than I do, and I'm from Texas. You would think we'd have Vermont/Alaska style carry here already.
 
We need to contact our Senators and tell them we want this veto over-ridden. Then, come election time, we need to vote this oxygen thief out of office.
 
Gov. Sebelius, law enforcement, and business leaders just classifed regular law abiding citizens as people who can't be trusted with concealed weapons anymore than they trust criminals with hidden weapons.
This should be sounded loud and clear during the next Governor election
 
I know I will do everything I personally can to get her out of office at election time. She's using excuses! First it was women don't want it. Now it's LEO's and business owners. She's not doing the will of the people and violating our second amendment rights and it's that simple in my book.
 
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