CCW PASSED Ohio Senate Committee

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Courtesy of Ohioans for Concealed Carry, www.ofcc.net

In a surprise move, the Ohio Senate Judiciary Committee on Criminal
Justice today passed an amended House Bill 12 today on a 6-0 vote
(Senators Stivers, Schuring and Goodman were not present at the time of
the vote).

In an absolutely stunning move, the Ohio Senate had supposedly intended
to follow up with a floor vote in the hours to follow. House Bill 12
appeared all but assured of Senate passage, and then we were told that
the brakes had been applied.

The amended bill is, in almost all respects, identical to the one passed
by the Senate last December, and for which the Ohio House refused to
reconvene for a vote of concurrence. The only significant difference is
that license-holders would be allowed to "open" carry their firearms in
their personal vehicles, IF no occupants are under 18. If they are, the
firearm must be in a locked container.

This will be happening real-time for the next several hours, but the
chances that HB12 may not be brought up on the Senate Floor today seem
likely.

Those of you with Real Player and a fairly fast Internet connection can
watch the event take place online:

http://www.oll.state.oh.us/

Remember, you MUST reload this page until Channel 1 says that the Senate
is "in session", otherwise it will never link you to the video stream.

Ohioans For Concealed Carry has acquired a copy of Sub HB12 as passed by
the Senate Committee and will be updating our various mailing lists and
website(s) throughout the evening today.

 

[Henry Bowman]

Once again, the senate committee adds a poison pill. :banghead:

 

[Shooter 2.5]

The bill really reeks.



A driver has to lay his gun on the seat as he drives and if he has kids in the car, it has to be locked in a container or the glove box.

 

[Pheonix]

Well that under 18 bit just ruined it for me for the next 20 years!







that blows

 

[dance varmint]

You have children who are -2 years old?

 

[Collin]

I find the open carry/under 18 clause to be STOOPID. I do think that it would likely be negotiated out in the conference committee. What do you all think?

 

[Molon Labe]

It’s a “permission†system. Since when do I need permission from my servant to practice a natural right?

Ohioans, as do all Americans, have an inalienable right to keep and bear arms. The monkeys in Columbus have no authority to limit this sacred right.

 

[GhostShooter]

Has anyone been able to get a copy of the bill yet?

 

[Pheonix]

you have children -2 yrs old?

We plan on having at least one more. Not conceived yet due date unknown.

 

[Standing Wolf]

The only significant difference is
that license-holders would be allowed to "open" carry their firearms in
their personal vehicles, IF no occupants are under 18. If they are, the
firearm must be in a locked container.

Sounds like the cops in Ohio are writing law. Last I heard, they were paid to enforce it, not write it.

 

[foghornl]

The PDF version should be availabe on the Ohioans for Concealed Carry website...


www.ohioccw.org

The link to the file is about 2/3 way down the home page.

 

[Collin]

RINO (Republican In Name Only) Bob Taft makes me sick. He has to be the most incompetent "gubner" the state has had. I am sure that as a father and a golfing buddy type guy, he is great, but I hate him as a politician. He tries to make everybody happy, thereby making nobody happy. He claims to be a Republican, but acts like a schizoid conservative Dem. Check out my location, below my name, that's the way it feels sometimes. HB 12 has been ruined by the Senate Committee, this is a sad day.

 

[Ebbtide]

IF no occupants are under 18. If they are, the firearm must be in a locked container.

And if you don't, then it will be a FELONY :banghead: :banghead:

 

[Henry Bowman]

Welcome to Collin and Molone Labe. You're gonna like this place!

The word on packing.org is that the senate passed it WITH all the crap in it. Are they that stupid or do they thinke we are that stupid?! :banghead:

 

[Molon Labe]

Assuming it becomes law, I can’t help but wonder what kind of person would subject themselves to such an anal probing. I mean, I really have to wonder about a person who voluntarily gets fingerprinted by the government.

To each and every patriotic Ohioan, I say this: draw the line in the sand somewhere. Do not keep “moving the line.â€

Speaking only for myself, I drew my line in the sand a long time ago…

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Taft has announced he will sign the Senate bill but it is going back to the House to iron out differences.

It was my read on it that license holders were mandated to open carry in cars - not that it was allowed. That sounds like a supremely stupid move on the part of legislators.

OK, you are now licensed to carry concealed, except in your car where you must carry open or lock it in the glove box.

This clause was apparently at the insistance of the Ohio Highway Patrol. Wonder if they will reconsider that idea after their 100th "man with a gun" call that turns out to be some guy getting into his car with a CHL?

 

[Collin]

In re: Bart's reply.
The Ohio Highway Patrol is a useless body. Their purpose is to enhance revenue by writing traffic tickets. They are not even real cops. I personally think that they should be disbanded, let the Ohio Investigative Unit handle security at the Statehouse. They, probably at the direction of Herr Taft, have opposed CCW in Ohio since the outset. I have no respect for the OHP leadership, and wish them nothing but the worst. Maybe they should listen to real State Police in our neighboring states and see how they feel about CCW, then they'll know how retarded and simplistic they are.

 

[Atticus]

So it's safer for the OSHP if I carry a loaded pistol on my lap, than it would be in a IWB holster under my shirt. Gotta love em. Did the local media have any input in the law...sounds like "reporter logic".

 

[telewinz]

Its called politics...

Its not a perfect bill by a long shot, but its workable for now. Laws can and are "corrected" all the time. We are 80% of the way there, we cut and run for now and submit new laws to "refine" the CCW act later. Fewer anti's may be watching later or might not wish to finance a major effort against a relatively minor "change" to an already inforce CCW law.

 

[mrtgbnkr]

telewinz,
I'm sorry, but I have to respectfully disagree. This thing (if they retain all the "crap") needs to get killed. The new amendments gut the bill for all practical purposes. I have kids, and they are in the car with me a lot of the time. I am not going to get dressed, put on my holster, make sure my weapon is concealed....then go to the car, take the pistol out, unload it, lock it in the trunk, drive to the store, get out of the car, open the trunk, reload, reholster...forget it, too much trouble. By the same token, I have every right to have every available means to protect my kids from some of the scum that is out there on the streets these days.

The continued insistance that there be some different provision for carry in an automobile is the OSP's way of trying to nullify the bill. I have to agree with the folks at OFCC and say that this bil (as it stands) is complete crap. The other wrinkle which was just introduced, would create an affirmative defence for CCW in an auto for anyone who had been issued a protective order (the protected person). This would narrow the scope of the affirmative defense to just this select class, when as it stands now, any Ohioan can use an affirmative defense in relation to CCW.

As Ohioans we need to get on the phone to our state representatives and push them to insist that these provisions be eliminated from the reconcilliation on the bill. I don't have a problem with notifying an officer during a traffic stop, but if somone tries to carjack me and my 2 year old is strapped in his car seat...my gun does me NO GOOD locked in the trunk, and there is NO FREAKIN WAY I'm letting that guy drive off with my kid in the back seat.

I also personally believe that "fixing it later" won't work. The politicians will resist, claiming that they were nice enough to pass a CCW law in the first place and that we can all go soak our heads, they've done their part. This has to get fixed NOW. JMO

Mark

 

[Henry Bowman]

"Fixing it later" is NOT an option. The anti's have loaded this so that IF it does pass (we swallow this crap), a smaller number will get the permit, even fewer will actually carry, those who do will likely intentioally or unintentionally go astray on a daily basis, and , most significantly, all the required gun handling and loaded guns sliding around on the seat and dashboard will cause ACCIDENTS and INJURIES. When this happens, will the legislature "fix" what they did wrong? Will the anti's disappear? NO. They will say, "We told you it was too dangerous to ccw in cars. We told you that the "law abiding" would break the law. We told you that people would get hurt." And they will make it even worse or nix the whole thing.

This so-called ccw bill bears no resemblance to any ccw law in any other state. Kill it and start over. It's too important to allow it to be rigged to fail this way.

 

[GhostShooter]

If you have to open carry in the car and you can legally open carry now, if you get a concealed carry permit then would you be able to open carry everywhere (since you cannot open carry in a car now)?

P.S.
I agree with OFCC this bill went to far and isn't acceptable in it's current form. Now the question is what is the house going to do with it?

 

[Shooter 2.5]

The following was published by the Gongwer News Service on June 18, and provides good summary of Senate action on HB12.

SENATE APPROVES CONCEALED WEAPONS BILL; CONFERENCE COMMITTEE LIKELY

Senators approved legislation (HB 12) Thursday that allowing permitting all Ohioans who obtain a permit to carry concealed weapons on their persons in certain locations, but the bill’s sponsor said after the vote the measure will likely be reviewed in a conference committee.

The 22-10 vote came after lawmakers expressed differing opinions on whether the bill includes enough or too many restrictions on those who would seek to carry guns.

Senator Steve Austria (R-Beavercreek), chairman of the panel that approved the bill, said the committee crafted a CCW that - for the first time in many years - has a realistic opportunity to become law. He said the measure takes steps to protect the public’s safety in that it includes strict training and competency requirements and demands that permit applicants undergo background checks.

Further, the senator said, the measure requires permitted Ohioans to keep loaded weapons locked in any vehicle with children age 18 or less and specifically prohibits carrying weapons into day care centers, school safety zones and public buildings, including the Statehouse.

Sponsor Jim Aslanides (R-Coshocton) said, however, it’s likely that differences between the chambers will have to be worked out in a conference committee. He said a Senate floor amendment providing an affirmative defense for people who are covered by protective orders provide enough coverage for others who need such a defense.

A spokesman for the State Highway Patrol said after the vote that the patrol remains neutral on the bill even after the amendment. That’s group’s position has been a key factor in guiding Governor Bob Taft’s view of the plan.

Later, an official representing the National Rifle Association said he was pleased that the measure cleared another step in the process, but said his group still has concerns with the proposal. Ohioans for Concealed Carry said the bill does more to endanger Ohioans than protect them.

Senator Eric Fingerhut (D-Shaker Heights) told colleagues that there is no real reason for the state to act on the proposal, given that people who truly need to carry weapons on a daily basis can already do so. He expressed gratitude that the bill prohibits carrying a weapon into public buildings, schools and other locations, but questioned why the exemption was needed if the bill poses no danger to Ohioans. “If we don’t think there’s any danger, why are we exempting these situations,†he asked.

Senator Lynn Wachtmann (R-Napoleon) also opposed the bill, but for vastly different reasons. He said the Senate version is too restrictive, noting that he would favor a “Vermont-style†CCW law. He said Mr. Taft has demanded that the bill address unfounded fears, adding that criminals will now likely seek out victims driving in cars with children, because they know that their weapons must be locked up.

Senator Bob Hagan (D-Youngstown) chided lawmakers for delaying the vote until Wednesday at the request of the NRA. “Who is supposed to run this legislature,†he asked. “We cannot allow this assembly to be taken over by special interests.â€

Below is the roll call vote on the bill:

Republicans for (18): Amstutz, Armbruster, Austria, Blessing, Carey, Carnes, Randy Gardner, Robert Gardner, Harris, Hottinger, Jacobson, Jordan, Mumper, Nein, Schuler, Schuring, Stivers & White.

Democrats for (4): Dann, DiDonato, Fedor & Herington

Republicans against (4): Coughlin, Goodman, Spada & Wachtmann

Democrats against (6): Brady, Fingerhut, Hagan, Mallory, Miller & Roberts

Absent (1): Prentiss