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HB 2798 Personal and family protection act; licensing to carry concealed firearms Passes Kansas Senate, late yesterday, by Vote of 28-12 - Goes to Conference Committee

http://www.kslegislature.org/cgi-bin/getfile.cgi/agstat/2004/hs0331.pdf

House bills in conference: Nos. 2027, 2037, 2067, 2101, Sen Sub 2133, Sub 2143, 2154, 2201,
2271, 2293, 2312, 2347, Sen Sub for 2352, Sen Sub for 2375, Sen Sub 2191, Sen Sub for
2404, 2418, Sub 2516, 2545, 2531, 2549, 2555, 2556, 2557, 2563, 2573, Sen Sub for Sub
2593, 2597, 2600, 2604, 2606, 2617, 2621,2622, 2624, 2638, 2641, Sen Sub for Sub 2647,
2652, 2653, 2657, 2658, 2669, 2673, 2675, 2695, Sub 2698, 2712, Sen Sub for Sub 2713,
2731, 2742, Sen Sub for Sub 2777, 2745, 2758, 2760, 2774, 2793, 2795, 2798, 2805, 2813,
2833, 2869, 2871, 2880, Sen Sub 2886, Sen Sub 2912
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http://www.ljworld.com/section/concealedweapons/story/165464

By Bill Draper - Associated Press Writer

Saturday, March 27, 2004

Topeka — Senators approved a bill Friday night that would allow Kansans to carry concealed weapons, including at the Statehouse.

The measure, approved on a 28-12 vote, would require the attorney general's office to issue a concealed-carry permit to any Kansan 21 or older who pays a $150 application fee and is a U.S. citizen, has no mental illness or drug or alcohol addiction and completes eight hours of training.

As approved earlier by the House, the measure would have put the Kansas Bureau of Investigation in charge of issuing permits. The Senate switched that duty to the attorney general's office.

Senators rejected a series of amendments expanding the list of places where concealed guns would be banned, as well as a proposal to allow Kansans to carry concealed stun guns -- but not handguns.

Concealed weapons would be forbidden in schools, city halls, courthouses, state office buildings, the Kansas State Fair, bars and taverns.

But the Senate deleted the Statehouse and restaurants that serve alcohol from the list of places where concealed guns would be prohibited.

"If this is good legislation for the rest of Kansas, it ought to be good legislation for the Capitol building," said Senate President Dave Kerr, R-Hutchinson, who offered the amendment taking the Statehouse off the list. "We should enjoy the benefits of that extra security here in the Capitol building."

Kerr later voted against the bill.

Sen. John Vratil, R-Leawood, offered a series of amendments banning concealed guns in hospitals, day care centers, churches and banks. All of those proposals failed after concealed carry supporters said people going to and from those places need to protect themselves.

Supporters of the bill contend that the measure would allow law-abiding citizens to protect themselves. Opponents predict it would lead to more gun-related violence.

Only Kansas, Illinois, Nebraska and Wisconsin do not have some type of concealed-carry law.
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28-12 is a veto proof majority in the Senate, folks. :D We only lacked 6 votes of having a 2/3 majority when it was first passed by the House and 2 representatives were not present for the vote.

We're getting close; but, we're not there yet. This thing could be determined pretty quickly -- work your representatives and the governor -- and don't forget to thank your senators who are supporting this and urge them to continue to maintain same.
 
Well this is good news.both of my reps are SOLIDLY in our camp on this issue.Guess it's time to call the governor's office and put in my 2 cents worth.It sure would feel good to be as trusted in KS as I was in OK.
 
I'll be calling the gov starting Monday. The phone # for the Governor's Office of Constituent Services is 1-877-579-6757. Alternate number is 785-296-6240. Call early & often folks. As some say, be nice. :D
 
Is there a list somewhere that allows us to see how they voted? "My" senator never bothered to respond to my emails.
 
Bill Daper used to be the editor of my local newspaper. I'm shocked and awed that he didn't throw his usual liberal slant into the article.
In keeping with his usual form there should have been "Blood flowing in the streets" comments.
My Senator is solidly behind it, hopefully some of the House members will come around.
With the "BTK Strangler" once again threatening Wichita it's time we were allowed to exercise our rights to defend ourselves.
 
My mom (who lives in Wichita) called me about this whole reappearance of BTK (the serial killer) after 25 years of silence and there where several "Opinion Line" callers in the Wichita Eagle that where lamenting BTK's reapperance because it might help the pro CCW movement.

:neener:
 
Well the reappearance of the serial killer killing women just may change the lady Gov's mind about citizens, especially women, carrying a gun for self protection. No wonder the antis are sorry that the killer has reappeared, not for "victims" but for their chances for the bill to be defeated or vetoed.
 
I can't believe the Kansas is going to be beat WI to the CCW club!! Hopefully next January we can start the fight again here in WI.
 
Don't get excited yet ... this still has to get past the governess ... and she's an anti (and a socialist to boot).

When is she expected to veto this thing anyway?
 
"If this is good legislation for the rest of Kansas, it ought to be good legislation for the Capitol building," said Senate President Dave Kerr, R-Hutchinson, who offered the amendment taking the Statehouse off the list. "We should enjoy the benefits of that extra security here in the Capitol building."

Kerr later voted against the bill.
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Sounds like Senator Dave Kerr, RINO, is an anti-gunner, that needs to be given a private sector job come this election!

:fire: :cuss:
 
I'm making my calls tomorrow. If Sebelius vetoes it I'm calling every state senator and representative we have and harrassing them push for another vote to override the veto.

With any luck maybe, just maybe, I'll be able to get my license come January.
 
There's a rally scheduled for noon on Friday April 2 in support of the Personal and Family Protection Act. Candy Ruff will be there to address the multitude on the south steps of the state capital in Topeka. See you there! :D
 
I got my info off the packing.org site. That's all I know so far. Candy will be out there while the house is in it's lunch recess, so I don't reckon it will last a very long time.
 
Crap. Gotta work this weekend starting Friday. Daughter lives in Lawrence, maybe I can talk her into going. Yeah, right. :scrutiny:
 
Shanghi, thanks for the offer but she's young and liberal. Doesn't understand why I own guns in the first place. Don't know where I went wrong there but she'll come around someday!

So what happens next with the bill? How does the veto override process work?
I did a search at www.ksleglislature.org but the link for "how a bill becomes law isn't working.

Here is a simplified text of the bill:
http://www.kslegislature.org/supplemental/2004/SN2798.pdf

Full version:
http://www.kslegislature.org/bills/2004/2798.pdf
 
By BILL DRAPER
Associated Press Writer

TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) -- House and Senate negotiators agreed Tuesday on the details of a bill that would allow Kansans to carry concealed handguns, including at the Statehouse.

The measure now awaits acceptance -- without amendment -- by both chambers, which would send it to Gov. Kathleen Sebelius and a likely veto.

Sebelius has said she would prefer to limit concealed-carry to retired law enforcement officers and would probably not sign more permissive legislation.

Approved by the House earlier this month, the bill won Senate passage Friday after being amended to allow concealed weapons in the Capitol and in restaurants where alcohol is served.

The Senate also amended the measure to put the attorney general's office, rather than the Kansas Bureau of Investigation, in charge of issuing concealed-carry permits.

House negotiators on Tuesday accepted all of those changes, as well as a Senate provision banning concealed guns in elementary and secondary schools and any "structure used for student instruction or attendance."

The negotiators' version of the bill also would require the attorney general's office to issue a concealed-carry permit to any Kansan who is at least 21 and a U.S. citizen, has no mental illness or drug or alcohol addiction, completes eight hours of training and pays a $150 fee.

Concealed weapons would be specifically prohibited in state office buildings other than the Capitol, as well as schools, city halls, courthouses, state office buildings, the Kansas State Fair, bars and taverns.

Legislators can override a governor's veto by a two-thirds vote in each chamber.

Senators passed the concealed guns bill by a veto-proof 28-12 margin, but many of the favorable votes came from Democrats who likely would not oppose the Democratic governor.

The House had approved its version on a 78-45 vote -- six favorable votes short of the 84 needed to override a veto.
 
"Gov'ner, if the serial killer tries to kill my daughter, how should my daughter protect herself?"

That should yield an interesting answer...
 
Copy of the e-mail I just sent. Also sent the same thing via snail mail.
All you other Kansans writing or calling?

e-mail;
[email protected]

Snail mail;
Office of the Governor
Capital, 300 SW 10th Ave., Ste. 212S
Topeka, KS 66612-1590

Phone;
785-296-3232

Governor Sebelius,
Sometime soon HB2798, the “Personal and Family Protection Act†will arrive at your desk for you signature.

Despite your misgivings I urge you to sign this important new law into effect. No doubt your advisors have researched this subject and no doubt they have found that crime rates have dropped in the other states that already allow their citizens to excise their Second Amendment rights.
The facts also reveal that the types of people who apply for a carry permit are law-abiding citizens who are of no threat to anyone except those who would cause themselves or others grave harm.

Contrary to opinions of opponents of the bill who claim that “Blood will run in the streets†if this law is passed, statistics show that incidents of crimes committed by licensed citizens carrying weapons are almost non-existent.

Surely your research staff has pointed out these and other facts to you.
You have stated repeatedly that you will only consider a bill that would allow retired and off duty police officers to carry concealed weapons. I must ask, what makes their lives and the lives of their families more valuable than yours and mine? National news is reporting that the “BTK†serial killer has made a return to Wichita. If these rumors are true I guess we could only hope his next intended victim is a retired law officer.
 
This just in

Right after I made my last post I got an email from Rep. Candy Ruff, the lady who got this thing rolling (and a Democrat to boot!)

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Friends of Right-to-Carry:

It's now or never and the time is NOW to get involved. Please join
the Kansas legislators who support Right-to-Carry for a Rally for HB
2798 held at noon Friday, April 2, on the south steps of the State
Capitol. Please come to Topeka and join us so we may send a message to
our Gov. Kathleen Sebelius that law-abiding Kansans can be trusted to
carry concealed firearms.

If you are unable to join us in Topeka on Friday, you can help us by
contacting the governor. Consider writing her personally, calling her
at 785-296-3232 or stopping by her office on the second floor of the
Capitol. The message many of us are sending is this: Just let the bill,
HB 2798, sit on your desk for 10 days so it may become law without your
signature. In that way, she doesn't veto it or sign it. Instead, it
just becomes law.

Thank you for all your help and support. I appreciate it so much

Your friend,

Rep. L. Candy Ruff
 
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