certain misdemeanors and wisconsin state?

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i had a misdemeanor in new york state for child endangerment, for leaving a 15 year old cousin on his own at home for a day.. but reguardless this misdemeanor prevented me from passing the background checks in new york state... does anyone know if wisconsin is the same way or if i should be good to pass the background check in wisconsin? (where im at now)
 
http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lrb/pubs/wb/12wb3.pdf

Don't have enough information to answer your question with any degree of accuracy:

Eligibility.
To be eligible for a license,
a person must be at least 21 years of age, a
Wisconsin resident, not be prohibited from
possessing a firearm due to a felony conviction
or having been found not guilty of a felony
by reason of mental disease or defect, not
having been ordered by a court not to possess
a firearm due to mental health issues, not being
subject to certain injunctions, not having
been prohibited by a court from possessing
a firearm as a condition of a bail bond
, and
not be prohibited under federal law from possessing
a firearm that has been transported in
interstate or foreign commerce.

The bold part might be your sticking point. Also, if the misdemeanor was classified as a domestic violence offense you are prohibited for life from possessing firearms at the Federal level.
 
I'd just go fill out the yellow form, pace the floor for the four minutes or so it takes and see. Whatcha got to lose?
 
anyone else think the list of "misdemeanors" that prohibit people from owning firearms seems to be growing so that they can find excuses to restrict some people that should otherwise be allowed to purchase?.. and for that matter, if someone is convicted as a felon for something, do they lose their first, fourth, fifth amendment rights?... of course not, THAT would be unconstitutional as they paid their debt to society
 
I think spitting on a sidewalk and failing to report it is cause for denial in NY State.

Seriously though... I assume the OP is relating to NY background checks for a pistol permit where the back ground check is very detailed with character references, city, county and state checks as well as extensive mental health checks.

In NY State, historically... long guns are through Federal NICS and the pistols are through the state. (unless the OP lived in NYC where the city does detailed background checks and requires permits for rifles as well as pistols).

So if the OP met the federal standard to buy a rifle in NY State chances are he/she might have no problem in Wisconsin. Like others have said, fill out old 'yeller and see what happens. If no go..contact a lawyer and then try to get an expungement.
 
Is there more to this story.? As far as I know, the only 'Prohibiting' (lifetime)
misdemeanor under Federal Law is misdemeanor domestic violence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_Violence_Offender_Gun_Ban

If I were you I would retain an Attorney who could answer your question. And perhaps legally reopen the case and have it dismissed...etc.

A good attorney would know if that is possible.

Sadly, from my observations here in California, any sort of contact with Police involving even a simple arguement with your wife or girlfriend (or the other way around), can result in a LIFETIME firearms ban regarding guns and ammunition. In many areas you could get arrested and over-charged. The premise is 'someone' is going to jail for the night. An angry spouse (perhaps drunk) makes accusations; somebody gets cuffed and transported to County Lockup. Over worked Public Defender talks plea bargain. No jail time, just summary probation. A misdemeanor doesn't sound bad to a 19 year old without any money and without a knowledgable attorney. Later that young man (for example) finds himself unable to ever own a gun, ammunition, go hunting, go to the range with his kids or protect his family. Bad news IMO.

Be well
Bob
 
Virtually every state has laws that prevent a person that has been convicted of crimes against a family member from owning a firearm. NY went overboard in convicting you of a crime. At 15 a kid is capable of being on his own for a day or so, unless an illness prevents him/her from taking care of his/her own affairs. In most states one can become an emancipated minor at 15.
 
Also, if the misdemeanor was classified as a domestic violence offense you are prohibited for life from possessing firearms at the Federal level.

Not all misdemeanor DV crimes make a person a restricted person under federal law.

If we look at the statute it says:

(g) It shall be unlawful for any person—
(9) who has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence,
to ship or transport in interstate or foreign commerce, or possess in or affecting commerce, any firearm or ammunition; or to receive any firearm or ammunition which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce.

18 U.S.C. 922(g)(9).

Now that makes it sound like any crime with a DV tag would qualify. However, that is not the case. The statute actually defines elsewhere what a "crime of domestic violence" is.

Qualifying Offenses: As enacted the statute defines "misdemeanor crime of domestic violence" as any state or federal misdemeanor that -

"has, as an element, the use or attempted use of physical force, or the threatened use of a deadly weapon, committed by a current or former spouse, parent, or guardian of the victim, by a person with whom the victim shares a child in common, by a person who is cohabiting with or has cohabited with the victim as a spouse, parent, or guardian, or by a person similarly situated to a spouse, parent, or guardian of the victim."

This means that an offense that has a DV tag does not necessarily qualify. Nor does the fact that an offense does not specifically have a DV tag at the state level mean that it does not qualify.

An example: In my state we have to note the exact subsection of domestic violence assault that we are charging someone with in our charging documents. There are three subsections that are each assault.

Assault.
(1) Assault is:
(a) an attempt, with unlawful force or violence, to do bodily injury to another;
(b) a threat, accompanied by a show of immediate force or violence, to do bodily injury to another; or
(c) an act, committed with unlawful force or violence, that causes bodily injury to another or creates a substantial risk of bodily injury to another.

They do not each meet the federal definition and thus people do not get denied unless we have charged it out to a specific subsection that does meet the federal definition.

There are all kinds of crimes that get can a DV tag that do not meet the federal definition. For example (in my state) criminal mischief, threats, etc, etc.

When reading codes you need to read the definition sections so you know what words mean. They very often do not have the meaning one might think they would. Also one needs to read case law to see how the code has been interpreted.

For anyone interested here is more info on DV crimes and federally restricted persons.

http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/crm01117.htm
 
well, i was wanting to buy a WWII era M1 garand in NY state when i found out.. had an NICS check done before i tried to buy anything.. its odd though.. police didnt even care if i already owned guns or not, they knew i did, but didnt do anything about it.. i gave them to close relatives afterwards just in case they wanted to attempt to get me in trouble for something else later

actually, i got some pretty bad advice from a public defender.. who said my best defense was to just take a year of probation as opposed to actually fighting it.. if i knew it was going to do what it did, i would have fought it all the way, though i was assured this "slap on the wrist" wasnt going to effect me in any way
 
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i dont know... i havent tried after the probation ended.. one day i was called in to sign the release from probation and that was the end of it, i left the state shortly after

and ive been reading wisconsin state laws and nowhere under domestic violence is endangerment listed.. nothing under any sort of child abuse laws either... so its confusing.. because theres no law in wisconsin that should prevent me from buying whatever i want.. new york state specifically has their own laws preventing it, but im not sure if thats going to carry over or not
 
Did you enter a straight guilty plea or did you enter into a plea in abeyance?
 
Is there more to this story.? As far as I know, the only 'Prohibiting' (lifetime)
misdemeanor under Federal Law is misdemeanor domestic violence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_Violence_Offender_Gun_Ban

If I were you I would retain an Attorney who could answer your question. And perhaps legally reopen the case and have it dismissed...etc.

A good attorney would know if that is possible.

Sadly, from my observations here in California, any sort of contact with Police involving even a simple arguement with your wife or girlfriend (or the other way around), can result in a LIFETIME firearms ban regarding guns and ammunition. In many areas you could get arrested and over-charged. The premise is 'someone' is going to jail for the night. An angry spouse (perhaps drunk) makes accusations; somebody gets cuffed and transported to County Lockup. Over worked Public Defender talks plea bargain. No jail time, just summary probation. A misdemeanor doesn't sound bad to a 19 year old without any money and without a knowledgable attorney. Later that young man (for example) finds himself unable to ever own a gun, ammunition, go hunting, go to the range with his kids or protect his family. Bad news IMO.

Be well
Bob
In certain states a DUI is punishable by more than a year in jail, that alone is a disqualifier even though it's a high misdemeanor. I believe Ohio is that way, and a few others.
 
i went with a straight guilty plea, but even if sentenced to the fullest extent i was only facing less than a year in prison anyway.. the guilty plea got me probation and was the first and only offense of mine
 
anyway.. is anyone familiar with this sort of situation? am i screwed, or good to go?.. dont need an exact answer, im going to the store on monday to replace some fishing lures i lost due to one unfortunately incident or another... ill have them do a background check then to be sure... but if i fail the background check what would be the next step?
 
I really, really think you should consult an Attorney on this. And if you are prohibited, look at whatever options he may recommend. There are certain remedies available, but you really have to get a consult with a knowledgeable attorney to find the answer.

You might call the NRA and reference their Gun Attorney List for an attorney in your area. You need an experienced GUN LAW ATTORNEY who knows the law.

Good Luck.

Bob :)
 
i cant afford attorneys though.. i can barely afford to live as it is since ive torn the ligaments in both sides of my neck and dont even have the insurance to get it fixed
 
Wisconsin has a handgun hotline, not NICS. The state uses NICS for long guns.

I would try to buy both and see what happens. Or apply for your concealed carry license, it's a similar, if not the exact same, check they use for handgun purchases. Both are administered by the state DOJ.

There was a time for me that I could buy all the handguns I wanted, but got denied long guns. I appealed the NICS denial, and became eligible again.
 
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i cant afford attorneys though.. i can barely afford to live as it is since ive torn the ligaments in both sides of my neck and dont even have the insurance to get it fixed
I'm sorry for your situation, but you have a real life legal problem. The Internet is not a good place to get the sort of answers you need. You need a qualified lawyer with whom you can discuss confidentially all the details of your situation and who can review your New York court records and figure out exactly what the story is.

You might want to contact a Wisconsin gun rights group who might be able to hook you up with a knowledgeable lawyer who might be willing to work with you with regard fees.

You should also check with whatever Wisconsin state organization handles the Medicaid program in the State to see if they can help getting your medical issues resolved.
 
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i went with a straight guilty plea, but even if sentenced to the fullest extent i was only facing less than a year in prison anyway.. the guilty plea got me probation and was the first and only offense of mine

You could look into the possibility of having it expunged. I have no idea what the law is in NY or what the policies and practices of the parties that would be involved. However, in my state after three years you can try to get a misdemeanor conviction expunged. This is something that people are able to accomplish in my state pro se (representing themselves). A call to the office that prosecuted the case might get you some info on that.

A lawyer would be helpful. Just make sure to find a decent one. I regularly see defense attorneys actually screw over their clients rather than help them at all. I feel pretty bad for the folks that pay a couple grand to hire an attorney and come out of it worse off than if they'd been pro se simply because their attorney is an idiot.
 
innocent until proven penniless i guess.. anyway.. when i buy some more fishing gear early next week.. ill have them run a background check.. if thats denied ill look into my options from there... apparently there are a couple, but am i going to have to appear in the court in which i was sentenced? thats about 1,000 miles away
 
well last time i had a check ran in new york state, i was still on probation so im not sure if that had anything to do with it?
 
innocent until proven penniless i guess.. anyway.. when i buy some more fishing gear early next week.. ill have them run a background check.. if thats denied ill look into my options from there... apparently there are a couple, but am i going to have to appear in the court in which i was sentenced? thats about 1,000 miles away
You may not have to appear. If there is a court procedure to vacate the conviction available it may not require your presence. It will almost certainly require your lawyers presence however, not an inexpensive proposition.

With respect to "having them run a background check", that may be easier said than done. My understanding is the NICS system has a very narrow set of circumstances under which it may be accessed. Over the counter gun sales is one of them, there may be others. I have heard that gun ranges may use it even though no gun sale is involved, presumably to ensure their shooting clients are not prohibited.

I may be wrong but I don't think you can have them just "run a background check" without attempting to purchase a firearm. If you have any doubt concerning the outcome, and it sounds as if you do, I suggest you tread cautiously.
 
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