Change of feature in Centerpoint scopes sold at Walmart...good, bad or no consequence?

[saturno_v]

I had nothing but good experience with Centerpoint Adventure Class scopes sold at Walmart...I own quite few 4-16x40 pieces....they hold zero, glass is decent, fairly sturdy....sold for 70 bucks at Walmart including rings, lens caps and scope cover.

The other day I did look at a recently arrived new model, 6-20x50 ($84) and I noticed that the company did change few features (these changes affected the 4-16x40 model as well still sold for 70$)

Other than switching from a Mil-Dot reticle to a TAG bullet drop compensation reticle, the adjustment turrets now have traditional screw caps instead of zero locking rings (which I thought it was a nice feature) and the zero reset function (accessed by an hex wrench) is gone. The caps now are the traditional ones with elastic bands not the previous flip open style which, again, I thought were fairly useful.

I'm not an optic expert so I'm asking to the initiated....did Crosman basically cheapened the design?? Are traditional screw caps better for field use?? The zero reset function could be a source of problem??

 

[mshootnit]

An option would be to step up to a Weaver Classic, or American made Leupold product. Then, no doubt about features, and you would not be sending money to a country who is planning to kick us out of the very ocean MacArthur and thousands of Americans fought to make free.

 

[entropy]

For a few dollars more at WalMart, the Nikons are much better glass, and better features. The Leupolds there are the basic ones, but even better yet. Get your Google-fu on and learn about rifle optics, you will find that generally you get what you pay for.

 

[saturno_v]

I asked about these specific changed features....so far I been very happy with the Centerpoint scopes, glass is decent and works for what I need.

 

[horsey300]

I asked about these specific changed features....so far I been very happy with the Centerpoint scopes, glass is decent and works for what I need.

My "old" centerpoint is not the same as my friend's centerpoint that he bought a few months ago, they dropped the "guarantee to withstand a .416 rigby" claim and when sighting in his rifle, groups were holes touching and one holers, but the 1/4 moa adjustment was more like 1/2-3/4. Not awful but not like my "old" one either.

 

[jmr40]

You only like the Centerpoint scopes because you don't know, what you don't know. They are probably the best sub $100 scope out there. But that ain't saying much. Decent scopes start with a MSRP at or near $200, anything with 50mm glass that is worth bringing home will be closer to $500. Decent 40mm and smaller objective scopes are reasonably priced. Buy and use a decent piece of glass and you'll then know what you currently don't know.

 

[saturno_v]

You only like the Centerpoint scopes because you don't know, what you don't know. They are probably the best sub $100 scope out there. But that ain't saying much. Decent scopes start with a MSRP at or near $200, anything with 50mm glass that is worth bringing home will be closer to $500. Decent 40mm and smaller objective scopes are reasonably priced. Buy and use a decent piece of glass and you'll then know what you currently don't know.

I know that my shot land exactly where they intend to land and the scope hold zero...I never deluded myself I was getting a 500$ scope for $70

 

[LoonWulf]

Jeez, He likes centerpoint, asked a direct question, leave him be lol. I tease, the suggestions to move up to a nicer scope have merit, BUT if your happy with what you have nothing wrong with that either.
Personally, i find zero stops and extra gizmos extraneous, and not very dependable on low/mid level scopes, even my low end Nikons which are a step up dont track perfectly. If you really WANT the fancier adjustment features then its worthwhile to set up to mid level or better scopes.

As to why they droped them on one model and not the other from the same line, most likely (and this is of course only my opinion) they were trying to keep the price point low. That 4-16, atleast from what ive read on them, is sorta the bread and butter scope of the line it gets good reviews and i bet they sell a ton, helps keep cost down (im actually gonna buy one to replace the scope on my 6x47, or pellet gun).
The larger scope will have a lower sales figgure ao costs have to be lower if they arnt going to raise the price as much.

 

[saturno_v]

My "old" centerpoint is not the same as my friend's centerpoint that he bought a few months ago, they dropped the "guarantee to withstand a .416 rigby" claim and when sighting in his rifle, groups were holes touching and one holers, but the 1/4 moa adjustment was more like 1/2-3/4. Not awful but not like my "old" one either.

I just talked to a Crossman technician (very promptly answered on the phone) and he claims that the scopes are still recoil guaranteed up to a 416 Rigby and with the same lifetime warranty.....if they malfunction for any reason, as long as you have the original receipt, they will replace them no question to ask.....sounds good.
He does not know when the zero locking rings and the zero reset feature were taken out but he claimed it happened several years ago so I must have bought some old inventory.

 

[saturno_v]

Jeez, He likes centerpoint, asked a direct question, leave him be lol. I tease, the suggestions to move up to a nicer scope have merit, BUT if your happy with what you have nothing wrong with that either.
Personally, i find zero stops and extra gizmos extraneous, and not very dependable on low/mid level scopes, even my low end Nikons which are a step up dont track perfectly. If you really WANT the fancier adjustment features then its worthwhile to set up to mid level or better scopes.

As to why they droped them on one model and not the other from the same line, most likely (and this is of course only my opinion) they were trying to keep the price point low. That 4-16, atleast from what ive read on them, is sorta the bread and butter scope of the line it gets good reviews and i bet they sell a ton, helps keep cost down (im actually gonna buy one to replace the scope on my 6x47, or pellet gun).
The larger scope will have a lower sales figgure ao costs have to be lower if they arnt going to raise the price as much.

It is not a matter of liking them, simply, in my case, they work for their intended use.
By the way, as I stated before, these extra features were dropped also in their popular 4-16x40 and as you said yourself the reviews are all pretty good.

 

[LoonWulf]

Ahhh missed that they dropped them on the 4-16 the ones hanging in the display here still have them, guess the turn over rate here isnt so hot either.

 

[eastbank]

i say use what you want, for me it has been leupold for over 50 years. i know they cost more, but you get a free repair or replace warrenty , even not being the original buyer with out any receipt and reguardless of how old. i sent in a older 70,s m-8 leupold 3x and was sent a brand new m-8 3x free from the custom shop, they ever paid the return postage. i believe that scope cost about 100.00 new and was used over 40 years on quite a few tough hunts and still i was given a new one with no quastands ask. walmart has a new leupold 3x9 for 229.00 with clicks right now. eastbank.

 

[sarduy]

i still have one of those on my 30-06, they work great and had hold zero since day 1. my local walmart doesn't carry them anymore or any other scope for that matter, i just purchase this https://www.amazon.com/UTG-3-9X32-BugBuster-Scope-Mil-dot/dp/B005UGIMNQ and i love it, been great so far on my ar15 556 and AK.

 

[CraigC]

I asked about these specific changed features....so far I been very happy with the Centerpoint scopes, glass is decent and works for what I need.

They all "work", until they don't. I've laid far too many cheap scopes to rest to ever fool with them again. Regardless of guarantees.

 

[horsey300]

It is not a matter of liking them, simply, in my case, they work for their intended use.
By the way, as I stated before, these extra features were dropped also in their popular 4-16x40 and as you said yourself the reviews are all pretty good.

My mildot cp has bounced around on my .300 wm, slain several varmints and targets on the .243, and currently resides on my .223 truck gun that the kids practice with. It's been abused quite a bit and still holding up just fine. Don't use the ir much, got a detachable scope light for it and use it calling yotes, popping prairie dogs, and all other surprise varmints, with 2 dogs scrambling around the cab, that scope gets knocked around quite a bit and while it lacks clarity that some "finer" optics have, I don't worry about it either. I'd rather have mildot than this ttag reticle they use now but for the kids' next rifle dedicated to their use, it might work just fine.

 

[salt&battery]

You only like the Centerpoint scopes because you don't know, what you don't know. They are probably the best sub $100 scope out there. But that ain't saying much. Decent scopes start with a MSRP at or near $200, anything with 50mm glass that is worth bringing home will be closer to $500. Decent 40mm and smaller objective scopes are reasonably priced. Buy and use a decent piece of glass and you'll then know what you currently don't know.

if you put a $500 or more scope on a spring air gun most would fall apart. I figure you don't know that. the CP 4x16 is also made for air guns.I had 2 on powerful springers for 1000's of shots. the glass is crystal clear perfect power range and there is nothing another scope can do for me no matter what it costs. it is unbelievable they were $89. but now not made anymore. it was UTG that designed the scope and I think CP was part of UTG

 

[salt&battery]

i say use what you want, for me it has been leupold for over 50 years. i know they cost more, but you get a free repair or replace warrenty , even not being the original buyer with out any receipt and reguardless of how old. i sent in a older 70,s m-8 leupold 3x and was sent a brand new m-8 3x free from the custom shop, they ever paid the return postage. i believe that scope cost about 100.00 new and was used over 40 years on quite a few tough hunts and still i was given a new one with no quastands ask. walmart has a new leupold 3x9 for 229.00 with clicks right now. eastbank.

the reason they give you a "free" repair and all that is because they charge 3 times as much for the scope and the repairs are figured in. nothing is free. fenwick rods etc is all the same you but one rod but pay for 3 so when it breaks you get another that you paid for lol. many companies do the same thing

 

[LoonWulf]

I disagree, to some extent.
Springer airguns are a bad representation of recoil tolerance, reinforcement of an airgun scope is different than it is for a normal firearm, the physics of the firing cycle are different.
Leupold im sure does up charge based on their name, and on the fact that if you break it they will fix it. They also build scopes that dont often break, they are well built right from the get go, and generally have better glass, and coatings, which is where most of the real cost in a scope comes from.
Personally I prefer Nikons to most of the other scope brands because they seem to upcharge less for the quality of their products. Ive never used any of the truly top end scopes/brands so i cant say as to how much of a difference there is.

The CP scopes were (probably still are), pretty damn fine scopes for the cost. Ive used a couple but never owned one. The ones ive used are still in service with some of my buddies, including one on an old school chinese made magnum springer.

 

[salt&battery]

I disagree, to some extent.
Springer airguns are a bad representation of recoil tolerance, reinforcement of an airgun scope is different than it is for a normal firearm, the physics of the firing cycle are different.
Leupold im sure does up charge based on their name, and on the fact that if you break it they will fix it. They also build scopes that dont often break, they are well built right from the get go, and generally have better glass, and coatings, which is where most of the real cost in a scope comes from.
Personally I prefer Nikons to most of the other scope brands because they seem to upcharge less for the quality of their products. Ive never used any of the truly top end scopes/brands so i cant say as to how much of a difference there is.

The CP scopes were (probably still are), pretty damn fine scopes for the cost. Ive used a couple but never owned one. The ones ive used are still in service with some of my buddies, including one on an old school chinese made magnum springer.

Nikons are fine scopes. air gun scopes deal with recoil forward and back the forward being brutal. that CP 4x16 to me was the best of all the CP scopes which held up but glass not that good. The only honest gun writer I ever saw was Wayne Von Zwoll and he said leopold and other top scopes from the 80's and early 90's had glass that is beaten by $100 scopes today. naturally I would hope the others have better glass also

 

[LoonWulf]

I think i remember that article, and Id have to agree from my limited collection of scopes. I have a Japan made Nikon, that isnt as crisp as my newer prostaff.

 

[stolivar]

I normally put Nikons or better scopes on my guns. But I didn't want to throw that much money for a little ruger 10-22. But it has poor visibility and won't place a group for anything. I have put the scope on a couple of good guns and it still sucks. You get what you pay for.


steve

 

[lobo9er]

I own the 4-16 in question. I had it on a mossberg 590 for a hoot... it worked held zero, getting hit in the face wasn't fun put on a 22 same, worked. at higher power it gets hazy. I replaced it with a 2-7 redfield on the 22. way more practical.

 

[eastbank]

S&B, how do you figure that when walmart sells a 3x9 leupold for 229.00. thats in line with low to mid priced scopes and yet leupold still offers the same repair- replace warrenty on them. again i say and ask, what scope maker today who will repair or replace their 40-30-20 year old scopes with out a receit or original owner with a quick turn around time and pay the return postage? i think i hear cricketts. as i said before,buy what you want its your money. but 20-30 years from now will you be able to get it serviced or updated free? eastbank.

 

[salt&battery]

S&B, how do you figure that when walmart sells a 3x9 leupold for 229.00. thats in line with low to mid priced scopes and yet leupold still offers the same repair- replace warrenty on them. again i say and ask, what scope maker today who will repair or replace their 40-30-20 year old scopes with out a receit or original owner with a quick turn around time and pay the return postage? i think i hear cricketts. as i said before,buy what you want its your money. but 20-30 years from now will you be able to get it serviced or updated free? eastbank.

no crickets here. very easy to explain leupold policy. they sell their scopes for 10 times what they are worth to finance their warranty. also ripping off the US govt with their $5000 scopes helps a lot. nothing is free you pay for all the coverage when you buy the scope. very easy to understand. how can they stay in business with this "generous" policy unless it is paid for by purchasing the scope? for $89 I paid still get lifetime warranty but who cares being I did not pay $500 for the same scope so I could trade it in 30 years from now. scopes will be obsolete 30 years from now anyway in their current form

 

[eastbank]

are you trying to tell me that a 500.00 leupold scope is only worth 50.00? if so is a 1500.00 nightforce only worth 150.00 and the high end scopes also only worth one tenth of what they sell for? i only speak of my hunting expearence of over 50 years and never haveing a hunt ruined because of a defective scope. buy what you want and good luck with it. eastbank.