chupacabrah
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exactly!
I agree totally with the OP. I don't want to be scared to OC just because the cops and some other people don't like it, while it is totally legal.
Changing My Stance On Open Carry
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exactly!
I agree totally with the OP. I don't want to be scared to OC just because the cops and some other people don't like it, while it is totally legal.
RaisedbyWolves, go to opencarry.org. That map is on their home page and is clickalble for each state. If you click on Pennsylvania, it will give a summery of laws concerning PA's status on OC. Here is the basic summery:
I whole-heartedly support OC and would do so myself except for one thing: parents. I still live at home (not married yet) and my Dad wouldn't have a problem with me OCing, but my Mom would have a fit. She thinks it's showing off or something. I will def be OCing once I'm married, though.
Question, before do start OCing, I would like to call the the Police office and ask about their stance on OC. Who should I contact - the police chief? How do I find the right number? Also, if he doesn't know that it is legal, how do I politely educate him without inadvertently insulting or angering him?
~Dale
I whole-heartedly support OC and would do so myself except for one thing: parents. I still live at home (not married yet) and my Dad wouldn't have a problem with me OCing, but my Mom would have a fit. She thinks it's showing off or something. I will def be OCing once I'm married, though.
Question, before do start OCing, I would like to call the the Police office and ask about their stance on OC. Who should I contact - the police chief? How do I find the right number? Also, if he doesn't know that it is legal, how do I politely educate him without inadvertently insulting or angering him?
~Dale
ZeSpectre
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That'd be me as well. Personally if (God forbid) someone picks me to play "victim" I want them to have a really serious surprise in store.
However, I get a wrench in those plans living in Virginia where I HAVE to switch to open carry if I go to any decent restaurant with friends.
(Va law requires open carry in any establishment serving alcohol)
MJRW,
Sorry, that "Straw man" tuxedo argument simply doesn't carry any weight. As for "don't tread on me", well eventually people get tired of getting stepped on when they've done nothing wrong.
TexasRifleman
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I have a great desire to be able to OC, and this kind of thing is exactly why. There is a breaking point where, eventually, people just don't notice anymore. We need to get to that point.
Guns should not be seen any different hanging on a belt than a cell phone or knife.
Guns should not be seen any different hanging on a belt than a cell phone or knife.
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JesseL wrote:
Nailed it.
Nailed it.
AntiqueCollector
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The stance of the police legally has no bearing if it's legal. Don't call the police. Study the law carefully, know your rights, and if it makes you more comfortable carry printed copies of the applicable laws/regulations with you in case you have trouble. If they, knowing it's legal, try to stop you from doing so, file complaints, then sue if need be (in that order). Where are you, anyways (state)? And are you of the legal age to own and carry a handgun?
jahwarrior
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i think (but don't quote me) that this means: open carry is legal by default in PA. it's not illegal, which makes it legal to do. there's no statute preventing it. having said that, many here in PA bash people who OC, warning them that continuing to do so will get OC banned.
guess what? if OCing gets banned, what do you think will get banned next? people claim that a visible gun makes them uncomfortable. you know what bothers me? the guns i can't see.
i think that it's a little ridiculous that the OP made a statement, expressing his thoughts on his personal evolution, and certain folks have derailed this thread into another stupid OC v. CC thread. how utterly mundane. is this the best you can do? people who OC are no different than those who CC, except for the fact that the public will know if an OCer is a glock fanboy or a 1911 lover. that's it.
why do i OC? simple; it's easier to do. i'm not a 2A activist, i don't have safe queens to show off, i'm not a pathological extrovert, and my penis works fine, thank you. i OC when possible, because:
1. it's much easier to draw a gun, G*D forbid, if i need to.
2. fannypacks fool no one anymore, and look stupid, frankly.
3. i'm not a photographer, and i'm not planning on going on a safari anytime soon. i refuse to wear those stupid vests.
4. it's too damn warm to wear a full length jacket in august.
5. i'd rather carry a .45ACP than a .380 most days.
i CC when i have to, like when i'm work, or when it's cold outside. i would never denigrate anyone who chose not to OC. i respect anyone who chooses to exercise his 2A right, and takes personal responsibility for his/her safety. please return the favor, and enough with the OC v. CC crap.
and kudos to Treo, for being honest. he admitted to giving people crap for OC, and recognizes that OC bashing is kind of stupid. that's being a man about things. respect his honesty, respond to his call for unity, and recognize his personal evolution, and leave it at that.
jahwarrior
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do not ask the police anything related to carying a gun, OC or CC. most police would discourage you from carrying, period. don't ask for advice, permission, anything. asking for either is like asking for advice or permission to speak freely in public, or to practice your religion. you ask about privileges, not about your rights. do your thing, man, and if a LEO needs educating, do it then. and if he needs further "education," do it in court, as many, many others have done, successfully.
Simple
The mere presence of an armed citizen being disarmed at gunpoint by police and then possibly arrested and charged by the district attorney for whatever they think can possibly stick is a disgrace to the constitution.
Somehow we have allowed this sad state of affairs to become normal. By exercising our 'lost' rights we will be able to affect change.
The mere presence of an armed citizen being disarmed at gunpoint by police and then possibly arrested and charged by the district attorney for whatever they think can possibly stick is a disgrace to the constitution.
Somehow we have allowed this sad state of affairs to become normal. By exercising our 'lost' rights we will be able to affect change.
Ok, thanks for the advice, guys! AntiqueCollector, I have studied up on it a fair amount. I am of legal age to carry and own (I'm 20 and I live in PA). However, I'll have to unload and lock the ammo away in the glove compartment when driving if I start carrying before I can get my LTCF. That'll be kind of a pain since my future carry piece is a revolver, but I guess that's what speedloaders are for.
~Dale
~Dale
Those of you who find it problematic that other people have an opinion of how someone does these things we do are worse than the people you have a problem with. We say, "Really? Three guns?" And then you are upset at our disagreement. Let me say this again, and this time read what I am saying: there's nothing wrong with disagreement. Those of us disagreeing aren't stepping on anyone's rights. We are not legislating things. We are not taking anything away. We are disagreeing that he makes sense. These are critical differences. If you do not know the difference between disagreeing that you're being reasonable and the government passing laws....
Did you just e-"spit" me? Any idea how condescending that is? And we do ask them to tone down editorials. All the time. We read editorials and go, "I wish they'd shut up. Excercising the rights themselves isn't flamboyant anymore than dresses and make up are flamboyant by themselves. However, don't tell me Rupaul isn't flamboyant, and let's not pretend that rights cannot be excercised in dramatic manners.
Seriously, that e-"spit" thing, what are you thinking?
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siglite
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Damn. I hope you low-roaders don't get Treo's thread locked. 
kcshooter
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Again, while I support your right to do so regardless of my choice not to, you have to understand that
1. Some people will have this perception.
2. Some people do have this opinion.
3. While unacceptable, it is the reality that this occasionally happens.
While I understand that you would have a difference of opinion on the first two and the third is infuriating, I don't think you should have a "major problem" with those that point things like this out. That's what I've run into when stating my personal choice not to carry like this, folks with major problems with my dissenting opinion. It isn't just the CCW people who occasionally are insulting to the OC's, it is a two-way street.
I say carry how you want, just carry. Not for political motives, but to protect your life and the lives of those you care for.
jahwarrior
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+1! someone gets it.
gbran
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More and more people are starting to OC, so many that I predict congress will pass a national ban on the practice. Just a hunch.
JesseL
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To me, the views that open carry is rude/offensive or that the only reason someone might want to open carry must have to do with their desire for attention or compensation for their lack of genital endowment, is as wrongheaded as the arguments that antis use about concealed carry or gun ownership in general.
High Roaders should know better.
- Anyone who owns a gun must get off on killing.
- Anyone who wants to carry a gun is just itching to shoot the next disadvantaged person who asks for a quarter.
- Only a coward needs a gun.
- If people are allowed to carry concealed weapons, we'll have shootouts over parking spaces and grocery lines.
- The only reason to conceal your gun is so you can bait someone into mugging you and then shoot them.
High Roaders should know better.
JesseL
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gbran said:
1. Congress has no authority to do such. They can't even really make the Gun Free School Zones act pass constitutional muster.
2. It was at least implied in the majority opinion for Heller that open carry is protected the the 2nd Amendment.
3. Should we stop exercising our rights so that they don't get taken away? The defense of liberty doesn't work like that.
kcshooter
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Nobody said anything about high roaders being the ones with these views. I said "some people", should I clarify by saying "some people within our society will feel this way"? Does it really need to be spelled out that plainly for you? This is a true statement, period. Sorry to tell you that, but I thought it was pretty common knowledge.
Tacbandit
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OC is great...in places where it's widely accepted, right circumstances, etc...
And I don't care how many guns you carry, OC, or CCW...However, just as we may think that our non carrying friends are too sensitive about seeing a gun in
plain view on ones person(not in uniform), perhaps we could be a little more
sensitive to their perspective, to help our own cause. I.e.,........We have an
OC permit, and we're carrying...We're on our way to little Johnny/Judys' ball game...Is it so hard to pull out the shirt-tail, etc., for the duration of a kids
outdoor athletic event..?You're stilled armed...Is it so important that we have to say"Hey...look at me...I'm armed, because I have a permit, and I can be?"
I realize that most of us DON'T think that way, but does it really help our cause, as to the perspective of those non-carrying folks??? Just food for thought...Now I'll duck, as I feel the storm coming...
And I don't care how many guns you carry, OC, or CCW...However, just as we may think that our non carrying friends are too sensitive about seeing a gun in
plain view on ones person(not in uniform), perhaps we could be a little more
sensitive to their perspective, to help our own cause. I.e.,........We have an
OC permit, and we're carrying...We're on our way to little Johnny/Judys' ball game...Is it so hard to pull out the shirt-tail, etc., for the duration of a kids
outdoor athletic event..?You're stilled armed...Is it so important that we have to say"Hey...look at me...I'm armed, because I have a permit, and I can be?"
I realize that most of us DON'T think that way, but does it really help our cause, as to the perspective of those non-carrying folks??? Just food for thought...Now I'll duck, as I feel the storm coming...
Tacbandit,
I do see your point, but wouldn't you agree that should be changed? Sheeple shouldn't wince or go balistic when they see a gun displayed openly. And how do we change that public perception except by OCing?
Personally, however, my main reason for wanting to OC is because it's easier and more practical for SD. Changing public perception would just be a good side-effect.
~Dale
I do see your point, but wouldn't you agree that should be changed? Sheeple shouldn't wince or go balistic when they see a gun displayed openly. And how do we change that public perception except by OCing?
Personally, however, my main reason for wanting to OC is because it's easier and more practical for SD. Changing public perception would just be a good side-effect.
~Dale
Treo
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Ya know, if this many people on THR are against us exercising our rights, We've got a rough row to hoe.
The bright spot in this is that I'm pretty opinionated and THR changed my view point so it's not impossible.
As for OC being banned, I truly think that rising crime rates work for us. As more & more people realize that you can't depend on the police to protect you, more and more people will begin to carry to protect themselves. IMO
The bright spot in this is that I'm pretty opinionated and THR changed my view point so it's not impossible.
As for OC being banned, I truly think that rising crime rates work for us. As more & more people realize that you can't depend on the police to protect you, more and more people will begin to carry to protect themselves. IMO
JesseL
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kcshooter, sorry for the misunderstanding. In my first post in the thread I was speaking about High Roaders, not the general public.
Obviously various members of the public at large hold all kinds of opinions and few of them surprise me.
Obviously various members of the public at large hold all kinds of opinions and few of them surprise me.
Harley Quinn
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Either open or concealed should have to get a lic. as far as I am concerned. Prove you can shoot and have to go to classes...Simple really...
If a business does not want you in there with the weapon that is fine, it is their business...
If a business does not want you in there with the weapon that is fine, it is their business...
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