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Cheap tack/nail driver?

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hcker2000

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Alright I got my sks (I get to shoot it agine today :neener: ). Now what would be the best buy for geting realy tight groupings. I'v seen several posts that the Mosin Nagat is a good shot. I mention the Mosin because they can be picked up for realy cheap. If there is some thing better that runs around that price let me know.
 
Cheap tackdriver? Forget the Mosin and spend twenty more bucks and get you a swiss K31. Mine is more accurate than I am, and I am seriously thinking about putting a scope on it that is three times the value of the gun. These rifles all have shiny bores and a straight pull bolt. The engineering and detail is impressive for a rifle thats around a hundred bucks. The buttstocks are usually beat to hell though. Ammo is relatively scarce, I can get a brick of swiss cheese( 60 rounds) for around $25 bucks and it has been called match grade ammo. Not knocking the mosin my father has one its a nice gun just not as nice as the swiss. Finnish Mosins are supposed to have great accuracy too but will cost more.
 
Thanks for the info. Whats the swiss cartrige size? Are there companys that make the ammo for the K31 or do you have to buy surplus? I don't mind it costing more per shot to shoot than my sks as this gun will be used for more hard core target practis than the sks.
 
I sold my Mosin and bought three K-31s. The Mosin M-44 was fun, but no tackdriver. The 7.5x55 swiss uses .308 bullets, easy to reload.
 
If you want a cheap tackdriver, The Mosin does have the potential especially the Finnish M-39's. But the swiss rifles are also know for their accuracy.

A mosin with a scout scope on it can/will shoot good depending on the bore condition. I have an M-38 Carbine with a scout scope that is a sweet shooter. She only gets fed handloads with .308 sized bullets. So the potential is there.

The swiss rifles are great but ammo is expensive. Supposedly though wolf is goinf to be releasing swiss ammo this summer
 
Preacherman, that was wrong. :) lmao


I have heard that some of the H&R's are good shooters...but you have to get lucky.

My M-39 Finn is a pure sweetheart with handloads...cast GC'd bullets are just....man...its fun to shoot that rifle. :)


That swiss rifle is a nice sounding long-gun however...think I might have to try it...

Darrell
 
Hcker2000, go to www.surplusrifle.com , this is a great site about anything surplus. And yes a scope can be mounted to the k31. I believe a permanent mount is around $60 while the removable is more than the rifle. Damn fine gun though. www.swissrifles.com is a great site for all things swiss. The company that made them has now evolved into SigSauer, that should say a thing or two about quality. The rifles are good collectors items too, since they didn't make a high volume of them compared to other milsurps. I think www.classicarms.com and www.aimsurplus.com has them in stock currently from $80-$100. :)
 
the K-31 is an excellent rifle, but finding ammo can be a pain. You would be best off ordering it in large quantities.
 
If costs to be kept low then - take one Turk Mauser - put it on a ''fugly'' ATI stock - add scope and shoot. Now depends here how small are the tacks - but this rifle does shoot quite well. Ammo about as cheap as .22's.

I do suspect there is some barrel flexing/resonance - the main thing that opens groups, plus, I doubt the scope mounting is entirely solid. It is a lotta fun tho. I also reckon an Enfield MkIV can be made to perform quite well too.


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A swedish mauser is the most accurate and best quality out of all the mausers. it will shoot better than u can and companies still make 6.5x55 ammo.
 
Yea the k31 looks like it will be perfict. Is the k31 a competitor with newer bolt action riffles? From what people are saying it will.
 
I also reckon an Enfield MkIV can be made to perform quite well too.
Yup, but I imagine that it'll take a bit of effort to get close to MOA with most of 'em. (I think they're well worth the effort, but MOA outta da box they ain't.)

Any MilSurp is going to be a crapshoot, accuracy-wise. I've got a 1895 Chilean Mauser that'll shoot sub-MOA, but that's the exception rather than the norm. If you want accuracy with a minimum of fuss, get the K-31.
 
Yea the k31 seems to be the way to go. I like its interesting safty too :)

Ok so there are still companys making loads for the k31 right? I don't realy care what it costs to shoot. I would probably do 10 to 30 shots at a most with it and would then pick up my sks and have some good old fun with it.
 
Here's your $60 scope mount for a K-31, which is only sorta permanent, in that you have to drive out the one pin that holds the rear site in place. Takes a few minutes, and you can replace the rear site whenever you want. Its a scout scope, though.

http://p077.ezboard.com/fparallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforumsfrm85

There's also a removeable standard scope mount that costs around $100. Its available through commercial channels, but you can read about it at www.swissrifles.com. Perrie St. Marie makes it.

You can buy GP-11 ammo for the K-1 for less than most modern commercial ammo. GP-11 is more expensive than the cheapest surplus ammo, but cheaper than most commercial ammo.

Or, if you handload, its as cheap to handload as any .308 or .30-06.

If you want a low-cost .22lr tack driver, get yourself a Romanian Model 1969 trainer. I haven't seen any lately, but if you find one, grab it.
 
If you really are determined to put a scope on the rifle and you want "tack driver" accuracy, forget the mil-surp bolt action rifles. Sure, you can buy a K-31 then spend alot of money on a scope mount and more money on a scope. Current ammo price is about $22 for 60 rounds, but it's cheaper if you reload. So add the cost of a reloading setup, the rifle brass, bullets, powder, and primers into the mix.

I sense cheap, accurate, and easy are the important things. Oh, and a scope also. Don't get me wrong, I like scopes and mil-surp rifles, but mixing the two is a real challenge especially if you don't want to pay a gunsmith to do the work.

My suggestion is to find an older savage model 110 bolt action rifle with a scope, mounts, and sling for $240-$250. It'll be pretty accurate and shoot commonly available ammo like 30-06, 308, 270, or similar. You could hunt deer or paper with it. You may want to reload this ammo for cost savings, but you won't have to in the beginning. In 30-06, you could shoot the Korean surplus ammo for 20 cents a round, but it's probably not target quality ammo.

Accurate bullets are a big cost driver whether you are buying factory ammo or reloading it yourself. What do You consider tack-driving accuracy? How much are you willing to spend to get it consistently? You need to define these before buying anything.
 
Nope definilty don't want any more .22LR's. I'm trying to get away from the one I have for a while. I'll have to look up the load you mentioned. Agine cost of ammo is no bigie.

EDIT: thanks for the link to the scope mount for it.
 
Honestly I'v never shot a high high end riffle so I'm not sure what my "requirments" are. Let me just take a stab in the dark and say I would like to be able to hit with in 6 inches at 500 yards. Keep in mind this is only a stab in the dark. If this is to much to expect out of a k31 or any milsurp riffle let me know what I should expect from it.
 
6 inches at 500 yards is a very worthy goal. Many rifles or people are not consistently capable of that performance. Of the mil-surps, the K31 is probably the only one with much of a chance and that's only with a good scope, stable scope mount, and very good ammo. Judging the wind will be the greatest challenge.

I'm not sure if an older savage model 110 (E model probably) would be good enough. I'm not sure the K31 would be either.
 
[RANT]Get something cheap to shoot (or just cheap), mauser, k31, mosin, m1903a3 sniper (kidding :neener: ) and practice. I was lucky enough to pick up a pair of finnish mosins for under $100. The ammo is cheap, a surplus crate of 880 rounds is about $70-$80. Learn to use iron sights, learn to control your breathing, learn to out shoot the knucklehead with the fancy scoped rifle just using iron sights :p . Learn iron sights, an old milsurp don't need no stinking scope![/RANT]

OK, I feel mo betta. :eek:
 
Commisar,

Is that a large ring action?

I am thinking of grabbing one of them and doing the conversion to 45 Winmag with that kit that is being sold. You use M-1 Carbine mags and even comes with a 18" barrel. Installation is supposed to be pretty easy and headspacing is fairly easy as well. I believe it comes with go no-go gauges, but even if it doesn't, I can probably make my own.

Approx. how strong is that action? Is it actual turk manuf. or is it an imported mauser?

Darrell
 
Well I'm glad I picked a some what resonable goal. Heck one time I saw a guy on tv shooting a buffalo target wiht a mettle plate for a hart at some thing like 600-1000 yards with a muzzle loader and ball ammo. He hit the target every time he shot at it with iron sites. You could barly see the freaking target. Was very amazing.

To the people who don't like to scope millsurp riffles. I can afford the k31 but wont be able to afford the mount and a decent scope for it for a while. Well I am saving up for that stuff I will be practising with the iron sites as well.
 
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