Chicago politics exposed editorial:Of course it's fair that they have guns, you dont

Status
Not open for further replies.

Yas

Member
Joined
Apr 15, 2008
Messages
14
Of course it's fair that they have guns and you don't

John Kass

June 19, 2008


That Washington, D.C., gun ban that the Supreme Court should toss out any day now because it is unconstitutional is often compared to the handgun ban in Chicago.

But what's not often reported by the decidedly pro-gun-control media is that since Chicago's anti-handgun law went into effect in 1982, only two classes of people have had ready access to firearms:

The criminals. And the politicians.

Cynics who scoff at everything decent suggest these are one and the same, but taxpayers know the difference.

Criminals are often poor people who are led away in chains and go to state prison, for decades or lifetimes, for using guns as weapons against taxpayers. Politicians wear nice suits, drive luxury cars, and when they go to prison—federal prison, and only for a few months—they go away for using government as a weapon against taxpayers.

Criminals get guns the old fashioned way, by stealing them or buying them illegally. Politicians write the anti-gun laws, and wonder of wonders, they often exempt themselves and call themselves peace officers.

In Chicago, our politicians often go around surrounded by armed bodyguards on the city payroll. Or they walk our streets strapped. Or they know a guy who knows a guy in some suburb, and they become deputized peace officers so they can carry.

Politicians are not violent by disposition. They live in some of the safest neighborhoods, with wrought iron fences, automatic garage doors, cameras on light poles and armed police bodyguards.

Meanwhile, the taxpayers, who live without bodyguards, are told that if they want to protect themselves with a handgun just like the politicians, they themselves will be criminalized.

It is all about power in the end.

The founding fathers understood this, and crafted the Constitution accordingly. They understood Chicago before it was.

My favorite example from previous columns is the case of Anthony "Spittles" Pizzirulli, a top Democratic Machine precinct captain. Spittles was a city foreman when he was discovered at one of the top hotels in Chicago, the Ritz Carlton, in a $760-per-night room, though he made $51,000 a year.

A hotel busboy noticed that Spittles had a gun. And what a gun it was. Police found it, and noticed its serial numbers had been filed off—a federal offense the last time I checked. They also found recreational drugs.

In the lockup, Spittles kept insisting—gun or no gun—that he'd walk in a few minutes. But not before he spit on a female sergeant, told her to find another female to have sex with and made rude comments to other cops who wanted to slap him.

But they couldn't. Because just then, in walked a powerful Chicago alderman and that alderman walked him out, just as Spittles had predicted.

Ald. William Banks (36th), the younger brother of 36th Ward boss Sam "Pastries" Banks, arrived at the station and demanded to speak to the commander. They had a conversation and Banks expressed his point of view, that Spittles should walk.

Spittles walked hard. He was fired but never served prison time for his blatantly serial-number-deficient handgun.

Another guy known in the 36th Ward is Ronnie "Little Pistol" Calicchio, the deputy director of Mayor Richard Daley's Department of Business Affairs and Licensing, in charge of liquor licenses and other stuff, like how restaurants on Rush Street use city sidewalk space.

He's not a cop, but he feels he just needs a gun. But not a police gun. A cool secret agent gun. Just like James Bond, a Walther PPK, though he was not supposed to carry a gun, and there was question as to whether he was properly certified by a state board that allows politicians to carry.

In a meeting with me and his supposed boss—his department chief, not Ald. Banks—the boss said Little Pistol wasn't allowed to carry his pistol on city time—ignoring the fact that he was in violation of the city gun ban.

I took Little Pistol by the hand, spun him around without warning, and lifted his jacket. There was a metal object in his pants, and he wasn't glad to see me. I asked what it was.

"That?" Calicchio said. "What? That? Oh, that's a clip to holster a gun. It doesn't suggest anything, other than if I needed to carry a gun, if I needed to, that's something I could put it in."

Rather than fire him, Daley promoted him. When I last saw Little Pistol a few days ago, he was holding up a wall at a sidewalk cafe, the street lined with black Mercedes, and I made a pistol sign with my finger and thumb and winked. He smiled back.

That day, the gossip out of Washington was that the Supreme Court was ready to knock down the D.C. gun ban, and then the natural progression would come to Chicago.

But Spittles and Little Pistol and the political class don't have to wait for the 2nd Amendment to apply to them in this city of reformers. That's the Chicago Way.

[email protected]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-kass-19-jun19,0,4716398.column
 
I love Chicago deep dish pizza, I love Chicago Dogs, and I even root occasionally for those lovable loser Cubs.

But I'll tell you, the gun laws in the major cities in our country and in particular Chicago are disgusting. The hypocrisy is no surprise, what I don't understand is the IQ level of people that keep voting in these politicians.

Are they stupid? Do they just don't care?

The governor of Illinois is no better than Daley and it is beyond me how these people get elected and stay in office. I don't care what political party you belong to, a crap politician is a crap politician.

Wake up america! And in this case Chicago and Illinois.
 
Politicians are not violent by disposition. They live in some of the safest neighborhoods, with wrought iron fences, automatic garage doors, cameras on light poles and armed police bodyguards.

Meanwhile, the taxpayers, who live without bodyguards, are told that if they want to protect themselves with a handgun just like the politicians, they themselves will be criminalized.

Now you know why some people are addressed as "Lord" and "Lady" in England, and were thus addressed here before 1776.
 
But I'll tell you, the gun laws in the major cities in our country and in particular Chicago are disgusting. The hypocrisy is no surprise, what I don't understand is the IQ level of people that keep voting in these politicians.

How do you know that they are? "It's not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the votes."
 
I even root occasionally for those lovable loser Cubs.

Uhh...apparently you haven't been watching the Cubbies lately. They have the best record in baseball! They also have our (Seattle's) ex-skipper Lou Piniella. The Mariners were also winners for Lou.

Now, if you want to root for loosers - come on out and watch our hapless Ms this year. They have the worst record on the planet.

OK...back to the thread. Chicago sounds like one of the most currupt cities in America - after DC.
 
The truly sad thing is the residents of Chicago might not have any better alternatives to vote for. Seems to me like the politicians in this country are getting worse as time goes by.
 
How do you know that they are? "It's not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the votes."

Come on, so you are telling me that these elections are fixed? Not buying it. The people in this country vote in the idiots that represent them. I don't know why they continue to vote in the same people that have shown they have ruined this country over the last 4 decades.

You have people on both sides of the political spectrum that have RUINED this country and we the people keep voting them in.

We can't discuss politics on THR, but how many elections do we have to keep picking the lesser of the evils? Because that is all it ever is.

Politics is a dirty business with about 96% of the members of our Federal government structure being corrupt, greedy, self indulgent, power hungry scumbags.

I would love for someone to show me some politicians who have their only focus being improving our country, instead of profiting or getting re-elected. I'm not from Oklahoma, but what I've read and heard from Coburn, I like.
 
I would love for someone to show me some politicians who have their only focus being improving our country, instead of profiting or getting re-elected.

Paul and Kucinich. One is a conservative and the other a liberal, and they are both honest and trying to Do The Right Thing. And the country recently laughed at and rejected both of them. We can't elect honest people to high office because we (the country) obviously don't want them there.

P.S. I do think the Chicago elections are fixed.
 
Lol , I once told my wife that it's "Crook County" not Cook county , and how bad the gun laws there are . Not to long after , she had to deal with them (she works for a huge financial institution) and she told me " I can understand why their gun laws are so strict . They need to keep the people disarmed . Makes it easier to rob 'em . " :D

If only it wasn't true.
 
Not sure how you can say this:
Come on, so you are telling me that these elections are fixed? Not buying it.

When you follow it up shortly with this:
Politics is a dirty business with about 96% of the members of our Federal government structure being corrupt, greedy, self indulgent, power hungry scumbags.

That second statement kinda show that there are PLENTY of politicians that wold be more than happy, and very likely capable, to rig an election. Especially state or local ones where there is less oversight, and they are surrounded by their fellow, corrupt cronies that can help rig it for them.Not saying it happens all the time, everywhere, but certainly it happens sometimes, in certain places, and I'd say Chicago is certainly RIPE for being one of those places. The OP's article regarding special treatment, ignoring serious felonies, "pulling strings" to get cronies off the hook, or get what they want, is good evidence of what can, and does happen in some places. I have seen plenty of other reports, from legit media outlets in Chicago and elsewhere in IL about this kind of thing happening regularly, all the way from he Governor and his people, down to street cops n Chicago.

With that amount of rampant, blatant, corruption, and the fact they don't seem to really even be too concerned about hiding it, shows what can happen quickly when these people are allowed to stay not just out of prison, but in power too. It goes down hill fast, and spreads like a bad rash. Handguns are banned in Chicago, as is CCW in all of IL...unless you are an Alderman, friend of a politician, rich, famous, related to a cop or politician, et. Lots of more equal animals in IL, and throughout the whole country, and it is only getting worse.

I agree that we the people need to vote these kinds of dirt bags out of power, and push for them to also get put in prison for any crimes they commit, just like would happen to us. IF people stood up and did that, things would certainly get better, but the 2 biggest problems to hamper that, are that most people are too dumb, lazy, or complacent to do it, and that in some places, votes will only do so much if those in power can and will ignore the votes, or rig them to their favor.
 
When Daley bulldozed Meigs field I vowed never to return to Chicago and I haven't. It can rot as far as I am concerned. You get what you vote for.
 
Chicago may make New York State look good but it's unfortunately right on par with NYC and that's disgusting.:banghead: I can't imagine our forefathers seeing the way we have allowed ourselves to be turned back into subjects with all the provisions they gave us to ensure that would not occur.:(
 
IQ of Chicago voters

<< But I'll tell you, the gun laws in the major cities in our country and in particular Chicago are disgusting. The hypocrisy is no surprise, what I don't understand is the IQ level of people that keep voting in these politicians. >>

Many of the Chicago voters, being long dead, obviously have an IQ of 0.
 
Trying to keep this gun related and appropriate for THR, although that is difficult given the very title of the post mentioning politics.

I still don't buy that these elections in Cook County or Chicago are fixed. Not in today's day and age. Now there may be some inaccuracy in the elections just like in many other areas of the country where it isn't 100% accurate, but you are not going to be able to sell me on the idea, when the state of Illinois and the City of Chicago have voted in the following people repeatedly.

Dick Durbin
Barack Obama
Carol Mosley Braun
Richard Daley
Rod Blagojevich
Rahm Emanuel
Jesse Jackson Jr.
Dan Lipinski
Danny Davis
Jan Schakowsky
Phil Hare
Luis Gutierrez
Paul Simon
Henry Hyde (He even made the switch to the anti-gunners)

I don't know if it is something in the water there or what, but the list above is full of some of the most anti-gun politicians you can find and not all of those elections can be fixed. The people of Chicago, Cook County, and the State of Illinois obviously are happy with these types of politicians because they keep voting them in.

It is no different than what you see in California, New York, New Jersey, and Washington D.C. You deserve what you vote in, and if the people of this country are too ignorant to remove crooked and poor politicians, they deserve what they get.

Unfortunately that affects me and the rest of our country in the long run. :(
 
Camslam, I find it pretty closeminded and insulting to slam an entire state based on what the majority votes in. I'm sure you understand that our elected officials are done so by majority. I have never voted for an anti-gun politician yet the majority due. You seem to think i'm ignorant because of that and its garbage. Granted i am moving out of the state ( for other reasons) and it will be refreshing to have different rules for guns more in line with what our founding fathers intended but to do so simply because of that I would view as quitting. Your not going to change the laws if everyone just packs up and leaves and our own country would not be in existance if others followed your view. Maybe you did'nt realize how your post comes off but it seems to me that it's not very high road.
 
I have been to Chicago and would love to go back, particularly to see the Museum of Natural History. Italian beef sandwiches are the food of the Gods! :D

All that being said, I will never go there again until they recognize that the serfs have the same right to self protection as the annointed on high. :barf:
 
ByanyMeans:

I don't mean to offend. Here in my own state we have voted in our fair share of less than desirable politicians. It happens everywhere. But you kind of made my point for me by saying:

I find it pretty closeminded and insulting to slam an entire state based on what the majority votes in. I'm sure you understand that our elected officials are done so by majority

That is my whole point, the MAJORITY in these states continues to vote in these politicians. I mean no disrespect to my fellow gun owners, as I assume, most don't vote for these politicians given their position on gun rights.

I respect people that are willing to try to stay and fight the crazy, illogical, and just plain dumb ideas that lead to problems in our country and its individual states.

That being said, when do you say enough is enough? The states I mentioned, California, Illinois, New York, New Jersey, and the District of Columbia have been the lead on anti-gun legislation for the last several decades. I understand that pro-gun voters are in the minority, but seriously, you are telling me that in the last 40 years, where gun rights have gone down the toilet in these states and continue to do so, that there isn't a major problem with the voters in those states.

I don't claim to be an all knowing gun guru, but I have had the pleasure of working closely with 4 different people that were completely anti-gun and now 3 of the 4 own guns, 2 of those have CWP's, and the last one is planning on purchasing a gun sometime in the near future. All it took was some education and explanation as to the truth behind guns and their use in our country. So I know it can be done.

Change is possible and it would be great if there was a plan to start educating people on a large scale to rectify the misinformation and outright lies of the media and these politicians. Many people work hard every day to do just that and for their efforts they deserve our respect and gratitude. The sad thing is for 40+ years you really have no progress in the areas I have mentioned, and things have actually progressively gotten worse.

I guess when you look at the hypocrisy and corruption of these politicians that affects everyone, not just gun owners, that is when I have to really ask, "why do you people keep voting in these types of politicians?"

I think that is a fair question.
 
Coruption is part of the system

The sad fact is, corruption is part of the system. Take this example: If you want something done, say a city service you already pay for in taxes, where do you go? The appropriate city department perhaps? No, you go to you alderman's office. In other words, your alderman (or aldercreature as Royko used to say) is the gate keeper. Those with more power, "get it done" better and faster. Your ward would suffer if your alderman operates outside of the system and god forbid outside of the graces of King Dick, Mayor for Life.

It's amazing how the poorest, most crime ridden areas have the most crooked aldercreatures. No alternatives are given. If more than one candidate is running, it's simply a battle of the crooks.

After a lifetime there, I'm glad I'm out.

As for the 2A: Political power in IL flow out of the Chicago Machine. If King Dick does not like guns, then unless something is done to neutralize his power over other IL politicians, not much is likely to change in this state.

Sad but true.
 
they don't need to fix the elections when they throw enough money out to not let the challenger get a word in. I bet the people of Chitown would oust Daley if they at least knew who the other guy to vote for was.
 
Camslam,
I understand your point and did'nt think you were attempting to insult me I just felt like it was a broad brush that was used. I agree it's a majority of voters who keep voting in these politicians and thay do deserve what they get but it's not all of us. I thank you for your efforts to educate the fencesitters in regards to guns because I think that is a huge first step in getting people to see the truth. That is why I don't want everyone to leave states like NY and California because to educate many of the uninformed can help us to turn the tide of the "government controlled" agenda of these states which does leak out to the rest of the country. I wish I had an answer as to why the majority of these citizens keep voting for fools but I don't. What I do know is the fight is not over and I won't give it up even if it's another 40 years before change is seen.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top