"Children and Behavior" and petty tyrants

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One thing to keep in mind: If a child has a diagnosed learning disability or hyperactivity... they are eligable for social security payments and lots of free government money. Think about it. :uhoh:
 
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At the time, we were in Illinois -- which, incidentally, is one of the best states for homeschoolers (unlike for guns).

And we were in an upscale suburb (Prospect Heights / Arlington Heights), with a reputedly-excellent school district.

Ye gods. Makes you wonder what the others are like.
 
How long ago was that? State law must have changed radically.

Let me be clear. I don't approve of that punishment system, either. Currently, I'm using a token system that is purely positive for anything except true meltdowns. My student has to curse, scream, strike at someone, or run away to have a "buck" taken away.

However, I still have to call shenanigans on the medical information. Who, precisely, told Mrs. du Toit that the state could take away your children if you refused to give them school-mandated medication? That's Gribble stuff. If a school staff member said that, you have grounds for legal action.
 
Home schooling is a fantastic thing. We have it here in Michigan. I removed my kid from public school due to threats from social workers. Kids learn so easy! In two weeks he went from being illiterate to reading as well as me. He's a freak of genius who only needed to be set free from their "special ed", drugs, and these "teachers" who wasted all those years disciplining him. This merit/demerit system as explained makes it hard to imagine just where a teacher would find the time to actually teach any kind of knowledge.

Protecting your family isn't something you can react to after it has happened. The state has various ways of turning your kids into job security for themselves but what I've seen happen (not to me) is the State Police knock at the door to inform you just as you are wondering why the school bus failed to stop.
 
Don:

You need to talk to The Mrs. on this one -- she has more stats and case histories than you can shake a fist at. She was the webmaster for the IllinoisHomeschool.com when we lived there, and some of the stories (also learned through the HSLDA -- Homeschool Legal Defense Assoc) would make your toes curl.

The case she mentioned in her Comments happened to David's best friend -- I mean, we KNEW these people, this is no invention.

She's at [email protected]

Oleg:

Hiyas. I haven't had a chance to test .22 LR and .22 Mag shotshells on anything more substantial than paper yet. I had planned to do so on my trip to S. Texas, but Stupid Kim forgot to buy the pumpkins.
 
Kim,

Very good to hear your kid is doing well.

Your post struck a nerve with me because I had some very similar experiences in school and frankly, I am still feeling the effects today.

It is impossible to write about them without sounding a certain way that I do not want to sound.

Suffice it to say that often kids who have more going on upstairs than some might think often have trouble in school. School is designed for the lowest common denominator - uniquely gifted children be damned.

Now, I am afraid for my son - he is super high energy and has extremely advanced language and abstract reasoning abilites showing up well before his 2nd birthday. I am afraid of what may become of him so I intend to be at school a LOT.
 
One thing to keep in mind: If a child has a diagnosed learning disability or hyperactivity... they are eligable for social security payments and lots of free government money. Think about it
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Really?! I have ADHD and Dyslexia, spent 4 of my 12 years of pre-college school in special ed, and I (and my parents) never received one red cent from Social Security.

I've never heard of anyone else getting that money for just ADHD or learning disabilities.

Hmm, maybe my parents simply didn't know better and I don't know much about ADHD and learning disabilities.

Oh yeah, I was a psych major with much coursework in education. I spent a quarter in grad school for counseling and I'm now preping for grad school in psychology. Every time I could do research and papers on ADHD and learning disabilities I did.

As for my parents, hmm, my father only worked for Social Security in policy and wrote, co-wrote, or edited many of their policies on.....DISABILITY ELIGABILITY (his specialty area for the nearly 40 years he worked there).
 
Got to love the overuse of Ritalin. Ritalin is a stones throw away from Methamphetamine and actualy a Schedule II Controlled Substance. I can't imagine anyone giving that stuff to kids.
 
Good article. Makes one think that f you really care about your child, you should send them to a parochial school. Unfortunately I can attest that even parochial schools teach in a manner that is better geared to girls than to boys.

I can somewhat relate as when I was in middle school, I was hyperactive and didn't really care a hill of beans about school. I got sent to special education classes for a short stint and was sent back to the regular classes. The problem with me was that school was boring as hell. I liked math and science, but couldn't sit still in the reading classes and most certainly couldn't stand the repetitive and tedious nature of copying sentences out of textbooks when my brain was working at 100 mph. In 6th grade, I had the highest grades in math, science, and close to the top in history, with low C scores in reading and writing. I was held back because I got an F in religeon mainly because of my attitude. I still have that report card somewhere- its a keeper, the only Ds and Fs I ever got from K through BS degree.

I can imagine that if ritalin was available at that time, there might have been a push to put me on it. I don't think there's anything unique about me either, my nextdoor neighbor and two of my brother-in-laws all guys in their early 30s pretty much went through the same crap in middle school, if I were to poll others in my age group I would bet there would be even more of the same. The difference now is that there is a fix-all drug out there that seems to cure the disease known as 'boyhood,' in fact my neighbor recently pulled his 7 year old son out of school because they were pushing him to be put on pharmaceuticals.
 
I actually did hear about a father being forced, by law, by social services to medicate his son with Ritalin. It was on the radio news break, about 2 years ago. I'll try and find details in a while.
 
Back in my freshman year (HS) I got sent to both kind of Psych Boys to see if that would help get my grades up. HA! Wichever one that is alowed to prescribe drugs asked about "voices in my head". I told him that all I had was a constant ringing(sp?) in my ears (those of you who go without ear protection know of which I speak). That Quack put me on anti-depressants and other drugs for THREE YEARS! I stopped taking them after a few months because they had me asleep more hours of the day than I was awake! However that semester was shot.


Whats got me woried is that this is the same guy who my mom goes to :eek:. It also really curds my cheese to think of how much money my parents wasted on this dren that could have been put to better use if only they had posessed the good sense to realize that I didn't need psych help.

Here's the kicker one of the drugs I was on was Efexor(sp?) which if I remember correctly was pulled last year, and damages were being awarded.
And no I did not jump on the lawsuit bandwagon. If I had I'd have more guns.
 
Any comments about...

...Tom Cruise.

I heard him a night or two ago stirring up the ASP??? American Society of Psychritspellingmess.

I seemed to find myself more in agreement with him.

rr
 
Ravin...

I know what you mean. Tom does sound a bit um...overzealous, but no different than most of us probably do about firearms laws.

People in the psychiatric field can disagree with me all they want, but sometimes when so many people think something is just wrong, you have to ask yourself if maybe it is. We drug too many kids today - WAY too many. Kids need to be kids...and as a society we are taking that joy away from them. Sure, they are a handful - but if you cant handle it as a parent or a teacher, the problem is with YOU, not the child. It is our job as educators and parents to guide them, to teach them, and to help them become adults. We are not supposed to manage them.
 
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